[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Americans? America has nothing to do with this! You obviously believe Russian propaganda, using America as a scapegoat,. WTF has America done besides speak out against the violence by the OLD government against protesters?

America supports a strong united Europe, and we believe the EU is a valid aspiration for the Ukraine.

You need to stop getting your news from Russia Today.

No I do not
but I understand it far better.
I have had FoxNewsHD on today
I like Housecall and Mediabuzz



America has done nothing but talk
so nothing new there.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Should southern California be allowed to become part of Mexico just because there are a lot of people of Mexican heritage living in southern California?

by your logic, we better kick all the Mexicans out now, because you think they have a right to annex part of California just because they speak spanish?

It sets a dangerous precedent, it's basically saying we should fear foreigners, because if there's too many of them, then they have a legitimate right to annex part of our country!

No who would serve the Food
when I visit your floodland

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

No who would serve the Food
when I visit your floodland

floodland? we're having a drought.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

floodland? we're having a drought.

yes then the Rain came

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

yes then the Rain came

you Brits can't talk about floods, mmkay....

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Should southern California be allowed to become part of Mexico just because there are a lot of people of Mexican heritage living in southern California?

by your logic, we better kick all the Mexicans out now, because you think they have a right to annex part of California just because they speak spanish?

It sets a dangerous precedent, it's basically saying we should fear foreigners, because if there's too many of them, then they have a legitimate right to annex part of our country!

Except Crimea has always been Russian, it only became a part of Ukraine in the 50s when Khruschev gave it to them as a present when he was allegedly drunk, it might not have mattered then when all of Ukraine was under the Soviet umbrella but now that it's an independent state it leaves a region that is ethnically, geographically, linguistically and politically Russian in a different country altogether

[lostalex]

It's my understanding that the Russian Parliament has decided to issue Russian citizenship and passports to all of the ethnic Russians in Crimea... so if they want to be Russian, they are now free to go and be Russian.

If they want to be Ukrainian, then they must respect the sovereignty of the Ukraine, and the goverment of the Ukraine. they cannot have their fingers in both pots.

It is TREASONOUS, to welcome an invading army the way some in the Crimea have welcomed these Russian thugs. Russia has been interfering and controlling the Ukrainian government for years now, and Ukrainians are sick of it. and i don't blame them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's my understanding that the Russian Parliament has decided to issue Russian citizenship and passports to all of the ethnic Russians in Crimea... so if they want to be Russian, they are now free to go and be Russian.

If they want to be Ukrainian, then they must respect the sovereignty of the Ukraine, and the goverment of the Ukraine. they cannot have their fingers in both pots.

yes but it seems they have done that for years.

[lostalex]

The threats about the gas pipelines are nothing short of extortion and blackmail. the Ukrainian people have been under the thumb of the Russians for centuries. They want a legitimate representation of their UKRAINIAN VOICES in their government, they don't want to be Russia's puppet any longer. Really, by definition it has been Aparteid in Ukraine, the ethnic russians are the minority, but the Russians have had most of the power. and the Ukrainians are sick of it. The majority should have power, Ukraine is meant to be a sovereign state.

I don't see why that is hard for anyone to understand.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Except Crimea has always been Russian, it only became a part of Ukraine in the 50s when Khruschev gave it to them as a present when he was allegedly drunk, it might not have mattered then when all of Ukraine was under the Soviet umbrella but now that it's an independent state it leaves a region that is ethnically, geographically, linguistically and politically Russian in a different country altogether

How can they still be called Russian if they have been in Crimea(Ukraine) for so long? just because of their language? there are tons of French speakers in Belgium, does that make them French? There are tons of Swedish speakers in Finland, does that make them Swedish?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

How can they still be called Russian if they have been in Crimea(Ukraine) for so long? just because of their language? there are tons of French speakers in Belgium, does that make them French? There are tons of Swedish speakers in Finland, does that make them Swedish?

50 years isn't that long compared to the hundreds where it was a part of Russia, and even then it's only since the USSR broke up that Crimea came totally under the control of Ukraine as an independent state rather than still being in the Soviet umbrella, it's only been kept pacified by having a lot of autonomy and having power devolved from Ukraine. It's no surprise that the Crimeans resent having had no say at all in the change of government and getting ruled by Kiev. I imagine it's a similar feeling to how a lot of the Scots feel about seemingly being ruled by a government that doesn't represent them down in London

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The threats about the gas pipelines are nothing short of extortion and blackmail. the Ukrainian people have been under the thumb of the Russians for centuries. They want a legitimate representation of their UKRAINIAN VOICES in their government, they don't want to be Russia's puppet any longer. Really, by definition it has been Aparteid in Ukraine, the ethnic russians are the minority, but the Russians have had most of the power. and the Ukrainians are sick of it. The majority should have power, Ukraine is meant to be a sovereign state.

I don't see why that is hard for anyone to understand.

If thats so
Why did they let Russia have a Base in Crimea?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

50 years isn't that long compared to the hundreds where it was a part of Russia, and even then it's only since the USSR broke up that Crimea came totally under the control of Ukraine as an independent state rather than still being in the Soviet umbrella, it's only been kept pacified by having a lot of autonomy and having power devolved from Ukraine. It's no surprise that the Crimeans resent having had no say at all in the change of government and getting ruled by Kiev. I imagine it's a similar feeling to how a lot of the Scots feel about seemingly being ruled by a government that doesn't represent them down in London

well that's an interesting parallel you bring up. so do you want Scotland to be a separate country? or would you prefer The UK retained it's current territorial borders.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well that's an interesting parallel you bring up. so do you want Scotland to be a separate country?

I don't personally, though if they want to be they should have that right

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well that's an interesting parallel you bring up. so do you want Scotland to be a separate country?

Yes it would be great
Getting rid of so many Labour politicians

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes it would be great
Getting rid of so many Labour politicians

you just sound mean.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you just sound mean.

No I just know how much damage Labour does to us.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't personally, though if they want to be they should have that right

and what if there was a community in england, say of jamaicans, or polish, who decided they don't want to be english anymore, would you also support them if they had a democratic vote and decided to have their own polish or jamaican country in england?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and what if there was a community in england, say of jamaicans, or polish, who decided they don't want to be english anymore, would you also support them if they had a democratic vote and decided to have their own polish or jamaican country in england?

No but again that's a different situation lol, these aren't pockets of foreigners we're talking about here

[arista]

The "Big Three" at the Yalta Conference in Crimea: Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin
1945

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No but again that's a different situation lol, these aren't pockets of foreigners we're talking about here

but you're saying historically, historically anglo-saxons invaded from the continent, and the celts only have rights to this island, right?

[arista]

On Ch4News
locals just said they are from all 3 nations
they love the Russians

[Z]

The Crimea was gifted to the Ukraine during Soviet times so it's really only been separate from Russia since 1991 when the USSR collapsed. That's 23 years; it's not like it's been a particularly long time.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

On Ch4News
locals just said they are from all 3 nations
they love the Russians

well of course, the people who disagree are probably terrified and hiding in their homes in the Crimea right now, the Russia military is in town. would you come out and talk if you disagreed with the Russians?

Poor people intimidated by the Russian military. They know they would be dragged into the streets and beaten.

That pic you posted is SCARY AS ****~!~!~

I know i would be scared if i saw those guys outside my door.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

The Crimea was gifted to the Ukraine during Soviet times so it's really only been separate from Russia since 1991 when the USSR collapsed. That's 23 years; it's not like it's been a particularly long time.

But the amount of time Ukrainians have been terrorized and intimidated by Russians is much longer than 23 years.