[arista]

Joey the Government
will not pay them more.
Blaming more Inflation will happen.

So more teachers can demand 12% pay rise
but not until Starmer takes over
if he wins the General Election next year.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

That should save money

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

Originally Posted by arista

That should save money

[bots]

LT mentioned it before, but it's worth restating. None of the industries currently striking were furloughed during the pandemic. For 18 months they continued to take home full pay while the rest of us were forced into dramatic wage cuts. You don't hear them own up to that while they make their demands

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

LT mentioned it before, but it's worth restating. None of the industries currently striking were furloughed during the pandemic. For 18 months they continued to take home full pay while the rest of us were forced into dramatic wage cuts. You don't hear them own up to that while they make their demands

What sort of dystopian apocalyptic message is that?

"They didn't get 20% pay cuts when we were all locked inside our homes due to the global viral pandemic, so they should be content to carry on their professionally trained & registered jobs and responsibilities for pauper's wages now goshdarnit. And be grateful for it, too!"

Come on BOTS. That's a race to the bottom. "No one else is getting better so I don't deserve better either, carry on tossing me scraps". The Tories absolutely LOVE that sort of nonsense.

No one owes anything to anyone other than themselves, and people get to negotiate what their efforts are worth, to them, and to their employer. If they don't feel valued they can down tools. If they don't reach a settlement they can quit. These are ... pretty much the basics of any economy.

[arista]

[user104658]

Depending on area I can see a single £30k salary being eaten up by rent, utilities, car and fuel alone so of course it's "credible", especially if you throw in some student debt/general debt which let's face it most people have these days.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Depending on area I can see a single £30k salary being eaten up by rent, utilities, car and fuel alone so of course it's "credible", especially if you throw in some student debt/general debt which let's face it most people have these days.

Sure
but Other EU nations stop Essentials going on strike

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
but Other EU nations stop Essentials going on strike

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

Can’t speak for the health system but anyone who thinks that we are on fair pay in secondary education should spend ONE single day in a high school !!

I can’t even find the words to explain how difficult , stressful and upsetting an average day is now .

We have experienced teachers on long term stress sick , many , many others on the verge of quitting and the rest disillusioned.

I dread to think where this is all going to and I’m just thankful that I will be retiring next year .


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

Yes but most people are Tory stooges who think there's some sort of "moral merit" in working oneself to death for a subsistence income.

Pay in registered professions that require an extra 3+ years of higher education should OBVIOUSLY be significantly better paid than minimum wage, and they currently just aren't. To top that off, minimum wage in this country is clearly insufficient since most people on it have to be topped up with in-work benefits just for the basic ends to meet.

To be clear I'm not being "snobbish" here I don't just mean jobs with University level education - anyone in any trade once they're fully signed off & competent should obviously be making significantly more money than a fresh faced 20 year old not long out of school. Retail management grades should be making more than a couple of £ an hour more than an 18 year old inexperienced cashier. The whole system in this country is an utter mess.

Obvious issues (lack of universal healthcare, lack of workers' rights) in the US aside - look at the difference in what professionals are paid in the vast majority of US states compared to here. Teachers are making on average $63000/year. Experienced nurses are on over $80,000. In California a well qualified nurse with experience can realistically expect to nudge into a 6 figure salary.

There's no real material difference within the country of the dollar to the pound, so basically they're getting paid double what people in the UK are paid, for the same job. My wife as a band 7 management grade mental health nurse could be making more than double her current salary in Canada or Australia. I can do my own job from anywhere in the world that has an internet connection. We're just not at the point of being willing to uproot the kids like that. Yet.

That's a massive problem. The UK is going to lose it's skilled staff and replace them all with low-skilled staff and migrant workers who are (frankly) less educated and less skilled. The country is tanking.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Alf]

Those hotels for illegals need paying for, the war in Ukraine needs paying for and climate change needs paying for. There is no money for a pay rise.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Those hotels for illegals need paying for, the war in Ukraine needs paying for and climate change needs paying for. There is no money for a pay rise.

Plus, each Illegal gets our Tax Payers Money (£40.85)
paid to them
each week,
from the Government.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Plus, each Illegal gets our Tax Payers Money (£40.85)
paid to them
each week,
from the Government.

From what I can gather the health system is adequately funded if not OVERfunded .

The problem is apparently complete and utter mismanagement of the funds


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[Beso]

Firefighters soon.

[arista]

Talk TV HD not as good as GBnewsHD

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Talk TV HD not as good as GBnewsHD

Presume you’ve posted the above in the wrong thread ?

I haven’t watched either for quite some time but I’d say there’s probably room for both ..

They both have some good presenters with interesting views and ideas and some gawd-awful ones who are completely abhorrent at best or totally inept at worst


( Like Piers Morgan , Nigel Farage , Jeremy Kyle ,

Many of their presenters ( on both channels) are either simply too annoying to watch or hold dangerous views on important matters

( Dan Wootton , Eamon Holmes , Neil Oliver … )

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[arista]

[Teachers set to strike again as
National Education Union rejects government pay offer

Thousands of schools could be forced
to close if the strikes go ahead as union leaders
urge Education Secretary Gillian Keegan
to come back with a better deal.]
Monday 3 April 2023 12:05, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/more-teac...offer-12848847


Under 5%
is not enough for the teachers.

New Strike Dates
Thursday, April 27th and Tuesday,May 2nd

[arista]

Starmer just said they need to get around the table?
Is he Stupid?


They were around the table.
It Failed

[arista]

[arista]

[But a minority of hard-Left NEU members
are bringing them into disrepute,
bunking off work for 'strike action' while
holding samba lessons and dining out on luxury
lunches at the Hilton.
The NEU needs to stop having a jolly.'

A Government source said: 'This just shows
that the NEU cares more about samba lessons
than maths lessons.

'Instead of keeping schools open to give kids
the best education possible,
the union has revealed itself to be no
more than a glorified activity club for
striking teachers.']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-lunches.html