[Glenn.]

Education is very important and teachers need to be paid properly for it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Education is very important and teachers need to be paid properly for it.

Yes Glenn

Labour will offer 12% rise
if they tale over next year
in the General Election,


Will they accept that?

[arista]

Teachers
have been told by the Evil Union
not tell parents if they are on Strike.

Thats Corrupt


Head Teachers will make the call
at the last minute


GMBHD itv

[arista]

[bots]

everyones work is very important, no profession should put themselves above anyone else in importance

[joeysteele]

They have my support .

However as I've no children it's perhaps easier for me to not see the issues affecting education for the children from disruption from this.

I just don't understand why whichever government is in power.
How they let things reach these boiling points and communicating fairly and regularly with each other on all sides.
To avoid strikes being seen as necessary.

I mean in an environment that needs strong continuity and trust, how can having 4 or is it 5 even, different Education secretary's in a few years possibly achieve continuity and trust.

[arista]

Joey the Government
will not pay them more.
Blaming more Inflation will happen.

So more teachers can demand 12% pay rise
but not until Starmer takes over
if he wins the General Election next year.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

That should save money

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

Originally Posted by arista

That should save money

[bots]

LT mentioned it before, but it's worth restating. None of the industries currently striking were furloughed during the pandemic. For 18 months they continued to take home full pay while the rest of us were forced into dramatic wage cuts. You don't hear them own up to that while they make their demands

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

LT mentioned it before, but it's worth restating. None of the industries currently striking were furloughed during the pandemic. For 18 months they continued to take home full pay while the rest of us were forced into dramatic wage cuts. You don't hear them own up to that while they make their demands

What sort of dystopian apocalyptic message is that?

"They didn't get 20% pay cuts when we were all locked inside our homes due to the global viral pandemic, so they should be content to carry on their professionally trained & registered jobs and responsibilities for pauper's wages now goshdarnit. And be grateful for it, too!"

Come on BOTS. That's a race to the bottom. "No one else is getting better so I don't deserve better either, carry on tossing me scraps". The Tories absolutely LOVE that sort of nonsense.

No one owes anything to anyone other than themselves, and people get to negotiate what their efforts are worth, to them, and to their employer. If they don't feel valued they can down tools. If they don't reach a settlement they can quit. These are ... pretty much the basics of any economy.

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reports of teachers having to rely on food banks because they are not paid
enough are "not credible", the Education Secretary has said
(in other words made up union bollocks)




https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-strikes-pmqs/

[user104658]

Depending on area I can see a single £30k salary being eaten up by rent, utilities, car and fuel alone so of course it's "credible", especially if you throw in some student debt/general debt which let's face it most people have these days.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Depending on area I can see a single £30k salary being eaten up by rent, utilities, car and fuel alone so of course it's "credible", especially if you throw in some student debt/general debt which let's face it most people have these days.

Sure
but Other EU nations stop Essentials going on strike

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
but Other EU nations stop Essentials going on strike

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.

[Alf]

Those hotels for illegals need paying for, the war in Ukraine needs paying for and climate change needs paying for. There is no money for a pay rise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

Can’t speak for the health system but anyone who thinks that we are on fair pay in secondary education should spend ONE single day in a high school !!

I can’t even find the words to explain how difficult , stressful and upsetting an average day is now .

We have experienced teachers on long term stress sick , many , many others on the verge of quitting and the rest disillusioned.

I dread to think where this is all going to and I’m just thankful that I will be retiring next year .


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Those hotels for illegals need paying for, the war in Ukraine needs paying for and climate change needs paying for. There is no money for a pay rise.

Plus, each Illegal gets our Tax Payers Money (£40.85)
paid to them
each week,
from the Government.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Plus, each Illegal gets our Tax Payers Money (£40.85)
paid to them
each week,
from the Government.

From what I can gather the health system is adequately funded if not OVERfunded .

The problem is apparently complete and utter mismanagement of the funds


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

Yes but most people are Tory stooges who think there's some sort of "moral merit" in working oneself to death for a subsistence income.

Pay in registered professions that require an extra 3+ years of higher education should OBVIOUSLY be significantly better paid than minimum wage, and they currently just aren't. To top that off, minimum wage in this country is clearly insufficient since most people on it have to be topped up with in-work benefits just for the basic ends to meet.

To be clear I'm not being "snobbish" here I don't just mean jobs with University level education - anyone in any trade once they're fully signed off & competent should obviously be making significantly more money than a fresh faced 20 year old not long out of school. Retail management grades should be making more than a couple of £ an hour more than an 18 year old inexperienced cashier. The whole system in this country is an utter mess.

Obvious issues (lack of universal healthcare, lack of workers' rights) in the US aside - look at the difference in what professionals are paid in the vast majority of US states compared to here. Teachers are making on average $63000/year. Experienced nurses are on over $80,000. In California a well qualified nurse with experience can realistically expect to nudge into a 6 figure salary.

There's no real material difference within the country of the dollar to the pound, so basically they're getting paid double what people in the UK are paid, for the same job. My wife as a band 7 management grade mental health nurse could be making more than double her current salary in Canada or Australia. I can do my own job from anywhere in the world that has an internet connection. We're just not at the point of being willing to uproot the kids like that. Yet.

That's a massive problem. The UK is going to lose it's skilled staff and replace them all with low-skilled staff and migrant workers who are (frankly) less educated and less skilled. The country is tanking.

[Beso]

Firefighters soon.