[Northern Monkey]

Well they're still fighting heavily and the ceasefire's close.BBC News said the rebels went for a last minute land grab and both sides are not looking like stopping.Also Russia apparently resupplying the rebels and Russian artillery spotted firing on the Ukrainians.

[DemolitionRed]

Russian state media at fever pitch

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...o-nuclear.html

[empire]

ukraine's army stuff, is top of the range, but is old and many of the tanks and other armour lay rotten after they had no money to keep them running, last time those tanks in ukraine had an upgrade, was back in the 80s,

[MTVN]

[empire]

russia has the largest amounts of rare and earth materials, on the planet, even huge mines of jem stones to gold and sliver, putin knows about the energy war, america want's to start ww3, for the oil and gas, and yes they are after the jems and gold, aswell, like all empires, they rise and fall, america is no different,

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by empire

russia has the largest amounts of rare and earth materials, on the planet, even huge mines of jem stones to gold and sliver, putin knows about the energy war, america want's to start ww3, for the oil and gas, and yes they are after the jems and gold, aswell, like all empires, they rise and fall, america is no different,

I agree...............it makes me shudder to think the US actually wants to ultimately provoke Russia into all out War !!

I mean wtf.......a country who have been invaded so many times in their history, who lost over 20 million of its citizens in two World Wars, a Country who ultimately became the major part of a Superpower and as a consequence has thousands upon thousands of Nuclear Misslies capable of striking pretty much anywhere in the World.

With the latest in Supersonic Cruise Missles and ALBM,SLBM this really is not a Country you would want to willingly provoke...

Yet the US/Nato seems intent on pushing Ukraine to try and take back areas of Eastern Ukraine by force , force that equates to shelling and killing many innocent russian speaking Ukrainians. Clearly Russia will not stand idly by and allow this to happen. These people are terrified and just want to be protected.

They know if Russia deserted them the so called "Govt" in Kiev would run riot across that whole area , you would see blood letting on a massive scale with thousands upon thousands of Ukrainians dispossessed with huge numbers of refugees, basically a humanitarian disaster.

So No. Russia won't turn its back on its fellow Countrymen and Putin will try and provide help covertly, yes everyone knows this, BUT Putin does not want a conflict with the West for obvious reasons.

So why the Hell does the West want a conflict with Putin (Russia)

That is a question many intelligent people are desparately trying to answer, maybe they think Putin will back down.

Well ....he won't not when pushed around in his own backyard like this, I'm afraid he will have no choice but to stand and fight, and we all know where that will lead..






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[lostalex]

The level of Putin sympathy around here is truly astounding. JOB WELL DONE RUSSIA TODAY! you deserve a raise!

I wonder how much sympathy the same people defending him on this forum would have for him if he was THEIR leader.

If tomorrow Putin was the leader of the UK, I think a lot of people here would be singing a different tune.

It's just like the people that defend Cuba's Castro, they love to sing his praises, but if any leader of the UK ever behaved that way or made the same decisions, they'd be screaming bloody murder.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The level of Putin sympathy around here is truly astounding. JOB WELL DONE RUSSIA TODAY! you deserve a raise!

I wonder how much sympathy the same people defending him on this forum would have for him if he was THEIR leader.

Who's sympathizing with him on here? You would have to be a pretty sick ****er to do that.

But I do agree with people on the fact that both America and Russia do tend to antagonize each other throughout their recent history.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The level of Putin sympathy around here is truly astounding. JOB WELL DONE RUSSIA TODAY! you deserve a raise!

I wonder how much sympathy the same people defending him on this forum would have for him if he was THEIR leader.

If tomorrow Putin was the leader of the UK, I think a lot of people here would be singing a different tune.

It's just like the people that defend Cuba's Castro, they love to sing his praises, but if any leader of the UK ever behaved that way or made the same decisions, they'd be screaming bloody murder.

Russian soldiers have no business being in Ukraine and so called 'rebels' are still pushing to take more towns even though there's supposed to be a ceasefire.
It's not NATO soldiers on the ground there it's Russian troops and weaponary.Putin will listen to nobody and carry on lying and keep pushing further into Ukraine trying to take more towns.As is happening right this minute.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Russian soldiers have no business being in Ukraine and so called 'rebels' are still pushing to take more towns even though there's supposed to be a ceasefire.
It's not NATO soldiers on the ground there it's Russian troops and weaponary.Putin will listen to nobody and carry on lying and keep pushing further into Ukraine trying to take more towns.As is happening right this minute.

You may well be right, but they would never admit to being Russian Soldiers, maybe a Novorussian or Pro Russian brigade formed to try and push back the fascist murdering Non Russian, Russia hating Ukrainians who with the help of the west and an illegal coup here and some covert arms there think they can commit ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine.

Well they cannot, and the US and it's lackeys are realising this now. They didn't force Russia out of the Crimea and they won't force Eastern UIkrainians out of their homelands either.

The West has already lost this war or proxy war, it cannot push Russia back without major escalation and a massive influx of heavy weaponry. this would frighten the crap out of most Western European Countries and they would fear for all out War fought in Europe (sounds familiar ??).

So no I think even the US will know it needs Russia's support on a wide range of other Global geopolitical issues so I don't think even they will push too far.

They might consider trying to split the Country as I'm sure Russia would prefer to keep it intact.

Either way it could soon be squeaky bum time soon....

[empire]

Remember a country called Georgia, with a pro puppet of the west called, Mikheil saakashvili, he attacked Russian peace keepers, in south Ossetia, he was caught on tv, eating his tie, when he thought the west would help him, America want's a puppet leader in Moscow, there is no way the people of Russia want to go back to the days of a boris yeltsin regime, the leaders in kiev, are nothing but a bunch of thugs who will bully the people of Ukraine, giving them a false dream,

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by empire

Remember a country called Georgia, with a pro puppet of the west called, Mikheil saakashvili, he attacked Russian peace keepers, in south Ossetia, he was caught on tv, eating his tie, when he thought the west would help him, America want's a puppet leader in Moscow, there is no way the people of Russia want to go back to the days of a boris yeltsin regime, the leaders in kiev, are nothing but a bunch of thugs who will bully the people of Ukraine, giving them a false dream,

That is exactly what they are, an unelected fascist junta who are taking their orders from their paymasters who live nowhere near Ukraine.

These thugs are happy to attack their own countrymen in the East using all means at their disposal. They have lied to the masses in the west of Ukraine but Russia is well aware of the situation and will never allow them free reign in the East of Ukraine .

Fact is they are losing the war now and their time is almost up , in fact last night it was reported that president poroschenko and his family have left Ukraine because of fears for their safety.

Game over I think.

[DemolitionRed]

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/1...or-the-future/

[DemolitionRed]

This is a Russian translation of an article in the news site Fort Russ that appeared before the agreement.

[I]Kolomoysky is creating his own General Staff (Clarification of situation)

The next moment of honesty from Yarosh:

“The new HQ will be joined by about 17 various volunteer battalions, subordinated to the MVD and the MOD, and of course the Right Sector Volunteer Corps.

We have already created a unique operational staff. It will be located in Dnepropetrovsk. It will perform intelligence data exchange, mutual assistance, military-technical cooperation, and so on. We may also form certain operational formations at the front, after all we often have the best operational information about what is happening on this or that sector of the front simply because our battalions are there. We can make recommendations to the General Staff in order to carry out operational and tactical missions,” added Yarosh.

As we can see, the creation of a new command entity for part of the UAF and MVD is proceeding at full pace, and it will be based in Dnepropetrovsk. The formation will in practical terms means the formation of a Dnepropetrovsk khanate, and an increase in Kolomoysky’s influence in intra-Ukrainian power struggles, which will violate the current balance of power.

Even if there is an agreement reached in Minsk today, which I don’t believe will happen (if anything is signed, it will not be done seriously or for long, unfortunately), the break-down of the UAF and MVD into two components will be de-facto concluded. Then UAF formations will have to choose a side, either with Poroshenko or not with Poroshenko.

It won’t happen today or tomorrow, but very soon everyone who is fighting against LPR/DPR will have to make that choice, and then the Ukrainian civil war will spread with new force to new territories. Because according to the Washington central, it’s not enough to plunge the Donbass into chaos; all of Ukraine must be affected. And unfortunately the people of Ukraine are following that path.

US plans do not foresee the war in Ukraine ever ending. If it ends, it will be a defeat for Washington. They will never agree to that. I am certain of it.