[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You most certainly are, and I wholeheartedly agree that this looks like a last ditch attempt and a soundbite rather than something that was planned and budgeted for within their policies, it's clearly been shoehorned in at the last minute.
Even the tales of his poor deceased son and their subsequent marital problems appear geared towards some last minute sympathy vote, I hate saying that but that's how it's coming across to me.

I 100% sympathise with the Camerons as to their son, that must have been a really horrible and emotionally testing time for them.
I have no doubt he is a caring husband and a really good Father.

However,it does irk me a little when they use the child as an example as to how they regard the NHS and how wonderful they say it was at the time for their son, which I have no doubt it was too.

Had that resulted in full protection and more investment in the NHS from his govt; once he got power, then that would have been commendable.
Since once getting power he turned the NHS almost upside down with one of the biggest re-organisations of it, well that doesn't inspire me to believe he had much regard for it in reality.

Added to that,I think now of the parents with children who have special needs and disabililties 'now',who since this govt; came to power have seen appointments put back,operations put back and even cancelled,plus lengthy delays as to some relevant treatments too.

Despite all Cameron says in public as to the NHS, he has shown scant regard for those parents,waiting too for their own children to get what they really need from the NHS.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I 100% sympathise with the Camerons as to their son, that must have been a really horrible and emotionally testing time for them.
I have no doubt he is a caring husband and a really good Father.

However,it does irk me a little when they use the child as an example as to how they regard the NHS and how wonderful they say it was at the time for their son, which I have no doubt it was too.

Had that resulted in full protection and more investment in the NHS from his govt; once he got power, then that would have been commendable.
Since once getting power he turned the NHS almost upside down with one of the biggest re-organisations of it, well that doesn't inspire me to believe he had much regard for it in reality.

Added to that,I think now of the parents with children who have special needs and disabililties 'now',who since this govt; came to power have seen appointments put back,operations put back and even cancelled,plus lengthy delays as to some relevant treatments too.

Despite all Cameron says in public as to the NHS, he has shown scant regard for those parents,waiting too for their own children to get what they really need from the NHS.

Totally Joey, I would have expected a triple lock of protections and a patient centred approach to NHS care of the profoundly disabled at the very least. knowing how vital the protection of this service is for those with long term complex needs in both healthcare and welfare...but no.

[Livia]

Whatever the Tories do there will always be people who are vehemently against them, even when they're pledging money into the NHS when this thread specifically asks the question, do the Tories pose a threat to the NHS? I'm not sure how anyone can think Ł8bn into the health service is a bad thing, but of course there are people who do.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whatever the Tories do there will always be people who are vehemently against them, even when they're pledging money into the NHS when this thread specifically asks the question, do the Tories pose a threat to the NHS? I'm not sure how anyone can think Ł8bn into the health service is a bad thing, but of course there are people who do.

With full respect.
I have actually said repeatedly,that the Conservatives up until the later years of Margaret Thatcher nurtured the NHS and worked with it to succeed and were no threat to the NHS as to its founding principles at all.
I think in fairness,I even credited John Major in trying to turn the tide from the disastrous treatment it got from the later years of Thatcher's govt:

This PM, promised, in order to win over voters wavering as to the NHS,that he would not under his govt; have any top down re-organisation of same.
Then he did the biggest one, and it would have actually been bigger had the Lib Dems not insisted in some elements of it being shelved,before they supported what was left, which was more than bad enough.

It is not the Conservatives, people are getting at, I certainly am not, I am getting at this Conservative govt; and this PM,David Cameron who has lied as to his intentions for the NHS already.
So when he says he will put 8 billion,just like that,all of a sudden,like being sprung from a magician's hat,sorry but to me it is as false and misleading in my view as his no top down re-organisation promise.

I know myself,there are loads of Conservative MPs who care about the NHS and many who were even stunned this re-organisation ever took place too.
They need to find their voice and make sure they get rid of this PM and leader,if he is defeated in May, as soon as possible and put in place a man whose word may actually mean something as to the NHS,(I say man only because the only seemingly frontrunner of the female Conservative MPs is the disaster that is Theresa May,who would be possibly even worse than this current PM as leader of the Conservatives).

Then everyone will be able to think that no threat will be posed to the NHS again from the Conservative party.
That is in no way the case for me however with this particular PM and the cabinet he has chosen who are dictating policy too.

It is not the Conservatives overall themselves, who are a threat to the NHS.
It is the far reaching and as yet, unfinished original reforms of former Health secretary Andrew Lansley,which are still being pushed into the NHS, by this PM, who has shown his word is meaningless as to the NHS by his lying about it and his intentions as to it in 2010.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With full respect.
I have actually said repeatedly,that the Conservatives up until the later years of Margaret Thatcher nurtured the NHS and worked with it to succeed and were no threat to the NHS as to its founding principles at all.
I think in fairness,I even credited John Major in trying to turn the tide from the disastrous treatment it got from the later years of Thatcher's govt:

This PM, promised, in order to win over voters wavering as to the NHS,that he would not under his govt; have any top down re-organisation of same.
Then he did the biggest one, and it would have actually been bigger had the Lib Dems not insisted in some elements of it being shelved,beofre they supported what was left, which was more than bad enough.

It is not the Conservatives, people are getting at, I certainly am not, I am getting at this Conservative govt; and this PM,David Cameron who has lied as to his intentions for the NHS already.
So when he says he will put 8 billion,just like that,all of a sudden,like being sprung from a magician's hat,sorry but to me it is as false and misleading in my view as his no top down re-organisation promise.

I know myself,there are loads of Conservative MPs who care about the NHS and many who were even stunned this re-organisation ever took place too.
They need to find their voice and make sure they get rid of this PM and leader,if he is defeated in May, as soon as possible and put in place a man whose word may actually mean something as to the NHS.

Then everyone will be able to think that no threat will be posed to the NHS again from the Conservative party.
That is in no way the case for me however with this particular PM and the cabinet he has chosen who are dictating policy too.

It is not the Conservatives overall themselves, who are a threat to the NHS.
It is the far reaching and as yet, unfinished original reforms of former Health secretary Andrew Lansley,which are still being pushed into the NHS, by this PM, who has shown his word is meaningless as to the NHS by his lying about it and his intentions as to it in 2010.

See, I trust David Cameron and the Conservatives to look after the welfare of the UK much more than I do Ed and the labour party. I don't see David Cameron as a liar at all, and I think throwing such emotive slurs in his direction at every possible opportunity smacks of desperation

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

See, I trust David Cameron and the Conservatives to look after the welfare of the UK much more than I do Ed and the labour party. I don't see David Cameron as a liar at all, and I think throwing such emotive slurs in his direction at every possible opportunity smacks of desperation

Well did he say he and his govt; would not do a top down re-organisation of the NHS repeatedly in the debates and when asked by interviewers in 2010.

Did he less than a year later bring in plans for the biggest re-organsiation of the NHS for ages.
Did that not cause uproar and he was made to stall a while while the Lib Dems had a mini conference and decided they couldn't support all of it.

With the medical profession too overall saying it would lead to problems and be disastrous, did he not then proceed,shelving some of it, with a still massive re-organisation against all opposition to it.

He got votes with that promise,he then did the opposite he said he would and insisted on doing it.
If that is not lying then I don't know what is.

If someone asks me to not to do something and I say I won't, then I go off and do it,I lied to those I said that to.
I wouldn't be expected to be trusted again.

To lie about a massive thing like the NHS as he did, should be enough, and it is for me, to never trust his word again as to it.
I am just surprised anyone would to be quite honest.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

See, I trust David Cameron and the Conservatives to look after the welfare of the UK much more than I do Ed and the labour party. I don't see David Cameron as a liar at all, and I think throwing such emotive slurs in his direction at every possible opportunity smacks of desperation

Yes,so do I bitontheside,the NHS can't be healed straight away it takes time to make sure everything is in place and I firmly believe Cameron will deliver that,but he wont be rushed just to please people who cannot wait for something to be done properly,it's a shame really as if Labour get in they will either take credit for what Cameron has already started or take us back to square one ,up to our necks in debt and so it goes on,I say let Cameron finish the job he started even if it means we cant get what we want straight away. I trust the NHS in his hands more.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,so do I bitontheside,the NHS can't be healed straight away it takes time to make sure everything is in place and I firmly believe Cameron will deliver that,but he wont be rushed just to please people who cannot wait for something to be done properly,it's a shame really as if Labour get in they will either take credit for what Cameron has already started or take us back to square one ,up to our necks in debt and so it goes on,I say let Cameron finish the job he started even if it means we cant get what we want straight away. I trust the NHS in his hands more.

Most of the medical profession and Nurses want all that Cameron has done to be reversed.
Are they all wrong,do they know nothing about the NHS, after all they just work in it, saving lives year in and year out.

He said nothing needed to be done drastically as to the NHS in 2010, backing that up with a promise not to do any major re-organisation of it. which cost loads to do as well which could have been funds better spent on real hands on care.

The work he started you describe, he has chopped it up left,right and centre, the staff are confused, in disarray and even angry at the problems the re-organisation has created for them with so many changes.
They are all wrong to you however are they.

Well you trust him all you like but do you really believe had he said in 2010 he was going to do any re-organisation of the NHS on the scale he did,that he would have got votes.
No way would he have, he conned the voters saying he would not,if you admire that well that is up to you, for me, however,the man is a liar and not to be trusted.

He would have known in 2010 when he made that pledge, that he had every intention doing it once in power.
Which is why he misled the voters and avoided having to ask them to support the re-organisation.

No voter at all voted for this re-organisation, they weren't even given a chance to ,because he said he would not be doing it.
That's deceit on a large scale in my view,and something I for one would never admire in anyone not just a politician.

The NHS didn't need healing Kazanne,it only needed more nurturing,investment and building up, not bringing down as Cameron and his govt; have done this last 5 years.

The NHS back to square one as you call it in 2010, would be a whole lot better than it is now in 2015,that's for sure, and most Doctors, Nurses and other workers in the NHS would tell you that too.
However you believe Saint David over all those.

I will never believe him over all of them, never.
I see some of my family shattered,not only coping with caring for others in the NHS but now hampered more and more in that care by this pointless and unnecessary re-organisation that your precious PM promised would never happen under his govt;

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,so do I bitontheside,the NHS can't be healed straight away it takes time to make sure everything is in place and I firmly believe Cameron will deliver that,but he wont be rushed just to please people who cannot wait for something to be done properly,it's a shame really as if Labour get in they will either take credit for what Cameron has already started or take us back to square one ,up to our necks in debt and so it goes on,I say let Cameron finish the job he started even if it means we cant get what we want straight away. I trust the NHS in his hands more.

Bang On Right Kaz

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

See, I trust David Cameron and the Conservatives to look after the welfare of the UK much more than I do Ed and the labour party. I don't see David Cameron as a liar at all, and I think throwing such emotive slurs in his direction at every possible opportunity smacks of desperation

I rather agree with this.


All the leaders can stretch the truth somewhat, but I trust the Tories over the present labour lot anyday.

[Kizzy]

Well said, I don't think anyone would or should cast their vote for how a party has behaved historically, this is a new leader of the Labour party who I feel better represents the values than maybe his predecessors. He has already underlined pledges to maintain and improve services, this it what appeals to voters..not some afterthought blurted out with no supporting figures or policy, that just smacks of pure desperation frankly.

[Kizzy]

Well we can only judge people on their actions, and as we only have the actions in government of Mr Cameron to go on the suggestion that Mr Millband would be worse is conjecture at this point.
Those who oppose the government we have have had 5yrs to form an opinion, more than enough time to decide whether or not they stick to policy promises or not.

[joeysteele]

I will never see the Labour party as a threat at all as to the full and founding principles of the NHS free for all at the point of need.

No Labour leader would get away with even thinking of altering the NHS in such a way and were any Labour leader and Labour govt; ever to do so, then that really would be then the end of the Labour party.

Overall to be fair to the Conservatives, they were against the NHS but embraced it after winning power again in 1951 and largely have worked with it since.

Not this PM however and the govt; he leads, I repeat again, I wouldn't trust him to bring a bedpan,let alone trust him the NHS again.
I also think, many who actually took him at his word in 2010 as to no top down re-organisation,also will never trust him again, and they shouldn't either and with really good reason.

[joeysteele]

This is my last post on this thread as it seems pointless to point out what is wrong with a Prime Minister promising not to do something that nobody in effect wants, and to then go and do it with really no authority to,since it wasn't even in his manifesto.

People can ignore all the Doctors,Nurses, and all workers in the NHS who are in the vast majority,who say this govt; with this re-organisation has become a threat to the basic founding principles of the NHS.

I find it incredible that someone who has already deceived and lied to the voters on the NHS can get such acclaim.
I find it incredible in fact that anyone could even want to believe him after his massive and serious broken promise as to the NHS re-organisation.

Thankfully as I go knocking on doors or talk to people in the street, I get a far better response, they can see how wrong he was and also how wrong some of them were to trust him.
Fortunately one of my Cousins who is a Doctor and who is with me, 'advising' me as to what I say out there, bears out the threat factor too from this PM and this govt;.

If anyone can ever point out 'justifiably' where Labour have ever endangered the NHS I would love to see it, if anyone cares to read up about the NHS through the 80s and 90s to 1997,and see the chaos the NHS was in when Labour came to power in 1997,with the NHS starved of Nursing staff and having been massively under invested in.

In 2010, despite the scandals and the problems, it was loads better in 2010 than it was in 1997.
Now we have the medical professionals warning of real dangers to it again,here in 2015, blaming too, in the main, the unwanted,unnecessary and costly re-organisation,that was promised by David Cameron to never be going to take place.

I personally and absolutely despair that any voters would let him off the hook as to that and will blindly allow him to wreck it further.
Not of course take it out of existence but tear it down so he can make it easy for money grabbing private profiteers to march in with a saving plan thanks to his policies and re-organisation towards it.

That is real,5 more years with this PM and this govt; running the NHS and it will be certainly unrecognisable,I predict that.
I am 100% sure this man has a hidden agenda of as near full privatisation of the NHS that is possible.
His words mean nothing to me,just as mine it seems mean nothing to those here who believe he does no wrong and that actually deceiving and lying to voters should bring rewards for him.

My final words are that I believe 100%, taking in the worries and information from those I know who work in the NHS, that under him, (and he will know he likely only has another 5 years,that is possibly why he will not be seeking re-election in 5 years time if he wins this time).
That the NHS will be moving or have already moved to people needing health insurance or wealth to get the better treatments and faster treatments.
I have no doubt as to that at all,being lied to once by him, I would not entertain giving him another go at it.

For those who cannot pay,who cannot afford health insurance,who will likely be those who are the most in need and most vulnerable, they will be left with a basic,cheaper with far longer waiting times for treatment sub standard health programme.
The NHS will likely be gone for good from its founding principles.

Anyone who claims to care about the NHS and ignores the warnings from Doctors, Nurses and all other NHS staff too,yet will trust and believe a man who is already a proven liar as to his intentions for the NHS will be helping him destroy what is a great institution that should be built up not brought down.
People must do what they think,all parties have faults,all parties have at times failed the NHS and had problems occur in it.

In truth,it was caught just in time in 1997,before the real disaster struck.
In just 5 years, with his re-organisation, this PM has taken it almost right back to 1997, priming it for the privatisation takeover I believe is his hidden agenda.
His excuse will be, there was really no other way to fund the NHS or save it without that and it will then be too late to claw it back.

Anyone saying they weren't warned who give him the chance to do more harm to the NHS, will also not be telling the truth.
I have done my bit in saying what I believe, what I know and felt the need to, because I am passionate about the NHS,for my family who work in it and for those who it should always be there for,free at the point of need.

That will, I sincerely believe not be the case if David Cameron and this hardline cabinet, get to finish what they started with this disastrous,costly and wrecking re-organisation.

That is my lot on this thread and this issue on here because I am just getting more angry,knowing what will be coming from this PM.
A PM who has already lied to the voters on the NHS, already brought chaos to it and who dismisses, it seems, like those who support him too, the true warnings and fears of the senior and junior Doctors of the NHS,the Nursing staff and all employed elsewhere in it.

If you want a health service run in the main for profit where those who can pay will get good healthcare,while those who cannot pay get a basic sub standard handout,then vote Conservative.
If that is what you really want the NHS to end up as,that I am now100% sure is what you will get when you help this PM achieve it too.

That's me done,I've said loads on this and I believe I have spoken the truth as to the NHS for it now and the future of it too,which is more than this PM can ever claim to have done as to it.

.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is my last post on this thread as it seems pointless to point out what is wrong with a Prime Minister promising not to do something that nobody in effect wants, and to then go and do it with really no authority to,since it wasn't even in his manifesto.

People can ignore all the Doctors,Nurses, and all workers in the NHS who are in the vast majority,who say this govt; with this re-organisation has become a threat to the basic founding principles of the NHS.

I find it incredible that someone who has already deceived and lied to the voters on the NHS can get such acclaim.
I find it incredible in fact that anyone could even want to believe him after his massive and serious broken promise as to the NHS re-organisation.

Thankfully as I go knocking on doors or talk to people in the street, I get a far better response, they can see how wrong he was and also how wrong some of them were to trust him.
Fortunately one of my Cousins who is a Doctor and who is with me, 'advising' me as to what I say out there, bears out the threat factor too from this PM and this govt;.

If anyone can ever point out 'justifiably' where Labour have ever endangered the NHS I would love to see it, if anyone cares to read up about the NHS through the 80s and 90s to 1997,and see the chaos the NHS was in when Labour came to power in 1997,with the NHS starved of Nursing staff and having been massively under invested in.

In 2010, despite the scandals and the problems, it was loads better in 2010 than it was in 1997.
Now we have the medical professionals warning of real dangers to it again,here in 2015, blaming too, in the main, the unwanted,unnecessary and costly re-organisation,that was promised by David Cameron to never be going to take place.

I personally and absolutely despair that any voters would let him off the hook as to that and will blindly allow him to wreck it further.
Not of course take it out of existence but tear it down so he can make it easy for money grabbing private profiteers to march in with a saving plan thanks to his policies and re-organisation towards it.

That is real,5 more years with this PM and this govt; running the NHS and it will be certainly unrecognisable,I predict that.
I am 100% sure this man has a hidden agenda of as near full privatisation of the NHS that is possible.
His words mean nothing to me,just as mine it seems mean nothing to those here who believe he does no wrong and that actually deceiving and lying to voters should bring rewards for him.

My final words are that I believe 100%, taking in the worries and information from those I know who work in the NHS, that under him, (and he will know he likely only has another 5 years,that is possibly why he will not be seeking re-election in 5 years time if he wins this time).
That the NHS will be moving or have already moved to people needing health insurance or wealth to get the better treatments and faster treatments.
I have no doubt as to that at all,being lied to once by him, I would not entertain giving him another go at it.

For those who cannot pay,who cannot afford health insurance,who will likely be those who are the most in need and most vulnerable, they will be left with a basic,cheaper with far longer waiting times for treatment sub standard health programme.
The NHS will likely be gone for good from its founding principles.

Anyone who claims to care about the NHS and ignores the warnings from Doctors, Nurses and all other NHS staff too,yet will trust and believe a man who is already a proven liar as to his intentions for the NHS will be helping him destroy what is a great institution that should be built up not brought down.
People must do what they think,all parties have faults,all parties have at times failed the NHS and had problems occur in it.

In truth,it was caught just in time in 1997,before the real disaster struck.
In just 5 years, with his re-organisation, this PM has taken it almost right back to 1997, priming it for the privatisation takeover I believe is his hidden agenda.
His excuse will be, there was really no other way to fund the NHS or save it without that and it will then be too late to claw it back.

Anyone saying they weren't warned who give him the chance to do more harm to the NHS, will also not be telling the truth.
I have done my bit in saying what I believe, what I know and felt the need to, because I am passionate about the NHS,for my family who work in it and for those who it should always be there for,free at the point of need.

That will, I sincerely believe not be the case if David Cameron and this hardline cabinet, get to finish what they started with this disastrous,costly and wrecking re-organisation.

That is my lot on this thread and this issue on here because I am just getting more angry,knowing what will be coming from this PM.
A PM who has already lied to the voters on the NHS, already brought chaos to it and who dismisses, it seems, like those who support him too, the true warnings and fears of the senior and junior Doctors of the NHS,the Nursing staff and all employed elsewhere in it.

If you want a health service run in the main for profit where those who can pay will get good healthcare,while those who cannot pay get a basic sub standard handout,then vote Conservative.
If that is what you really want the NHS to end up as,that I am now100% sure is what you will get when you help this PM achieve it too.

That's me done,I've said loads on this and I believe I have spoken the truth as to the NHS for it now and the future of it too,which is more than this PM can ever claim to have done as to it.

.

Don't ever give up Joey, as you say those who you meet knocking on doors are a better gauge in terms of a quantitative sample of the electorate than here.
There is nothing in this that suggests 8 million of extra spending and of course if it isn't budgeted for you have to ask where is this money coming from, are they robbing peter to pay paul?
Talk is cheap and of course that's all this is, hot air.
http://cdn.budgetresponsibility.inde...8-03-webv1.pdf

[arista]

"This is my last post on this thread as it seems pointless to point out what is wrong with a Prime Minister"

You will post again.

What you need to understand
is No one wants Ed as PM
even many in the Labour Party
do not want him.

Its a Staged Election
that American in charge of Ed
stages everything


The public are Sick of it.

[arista]

"Don't ever give up Joey"


He has Every Right to
its tuff in Politics

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"Don't ever give up Joey"


He has Every Right to
its tuff in Politics

Nah, he won't he has the courage of his convictions.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

[Kizzy]

Osborne struggles to explain how Ł8bn for NHS would be funded

George Osborne, chancellor of the exchequer, has just appeared on the Marr show. Andrew Marr pressed him on yesterday’s Tory pledge to find an extra Ł8bn for the NHS.

“It’s part of our balanced plan”, said Osborne, when asked where the money was coming from. “That’s not really an answer,” responded Marr.

“We have always said we supported the NHS’s own plan for its sustainable future, so we offer the best health care in the world and the best medicines ... and because we have that balanced economic plan and because we are prepared to take difficult decisions in other parts of government we can go on increasing the money to the NHS.”

Marr interjected: “if you’re not going to tell me where the money’s coming from, I’ll tell you where the money’s coming from. It’s going to come from even deeper cuts in the unprotected departmental spending budget of around 14% in total, so you’re going to hit the police, you’re going to hit the armed forces and you’re going to hit local government to pay for this.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...n-family-homes

[Kizzy]

Ed Miliband has lambasted the Conservatives’ pledge to provide an additional Ł8bn of health spending a year as akin to trying to “fund the NHS on an IOU”.

The Labour leader was speaking on the day the future of the health service leapt to the top of the political agenda. Miliband announced that if elected his government would provide 3,000 extra midwives to ensure women giving birth have one-to-one maternity care.

Miliband also criticised the surprise announcement from George Osborne in the Guardian on Saturday that the Conservatives would provide an additional Ł8bn each year above inflation to fill the funding black hole in the health service. The chancellor said his party’s funding pledge demonstrated an “absolute commitment” to meeting the Ł30bn-a-year funding gap by the end of the decade, as identified by Simon Stevens, the chief executive of NHS England.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...e-mother-birth

[bots]

An extra 8 billion pledged to the NHS by the tories does not amount to a health service under threat from them ... no need for further discussion

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

An extra 8 billion pledged to the NHS by the tories does not amount to a health service under threat from them ... no need for further discussion

You believe what you like, I think there's plenty to discuss, personally I feel it's nothing more than the floundering of a party that's failed on this issue for 5yrs.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You believe what you like, I think there's plenty to discuss, personally I feel it's nothing more than the floundering of a party that's failed on this issue for 5yrs.

I will and do thanks!

All I have seen from labour supporters is attacks on Tory policy. Policy that people will either agree with or not. I would be much more interested in reading the positives of what labour have to offer over the positives of what the tories have to offer. Negativity will not win this election, I am 100% sure of that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I will and do thanks!

All I have seen from labour supporters is attacks on Tory policy. Policy that people will either agree with or not. I would be much more interested in reading the positives of what labour have to offer over the positives of what the tories have to offer. Negativity will not win this election, I am 100% sure of that

Negativity is all that ever wins elections in this country. People vote out of fear. Whoever successfully makes the other party seem scarier will win.

[AnnieK]

I believe that Labour will do a lot for the NHS but the money has to come from somewhere and I would imagine we will see tax rises, NI rises and fuel duty rises. My worry with both Labour and Conservative government that the cost will be paid from hard working lower middle classes who already pay more than enough.