[MTVN]

Well I also remember Osborne in his budget saying that employment was growing fastest in the north west and the midlands

Sure figures can be misleading, either side of the debate can point to numbers to back up their argument and contradict the other side mainly because, well, economics is complicated, and different economic measures can prove different things. One of the stupid things about this election campaign was how all parties left themselves no room for leeway and tied themselves into straight-jackets of their own making with a lot of their pledges. Its stupid to create a law to rule out tax rises or to make guarantees based on continued strong economic growth and not having a plan b. As Labour love to remind us, we are deeply affected by whatever will happen in the rest of the financial world. Fundamentally I do think we're in a fairly stable position though, and as long as the government is sensible in the next five years then the country as a whole will benefit from that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I also remember Osborne in his budget saying that employment was growing fastest in the north west and the midlands

Sure figures can be misleading, either side of the debate can point to numbers to back up their argument and contradict the other side mainly because, well, economics is complicated, and different economic measures can prove different things. One of the stupid things about this election campaign was how all parties left themselves no room for leeway and tied themselves into straight-jackets of their own making with a lot of their pledges. Its stupid to create a law to rule out tax rises or to make guarantees based on continued strong economic growth and not having a plan b. As Labour love to remind us, we are deeply affected by whatever will happen in the rest of the financial world. Fundamentally I do think we're in a fairly stable position though, and as long as the government is sensible in the next five years then the country as a whole will benefit from that

Well he was talking out of his anus then obviously, it's not fair to mislead the electorate but politicians do it to win votes.
I would be more inclined to believe figures presented in hansard than the sun though.
It's not the inequality in the rest of the world that is the issue it's the inequality within the UK that is becoming the focus of debate.
They can and have made promises of no tax rises, so who is paying tax...
How can 0hrs and de professionalisation lead to a stable economy?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well he was talking out of his anus then obviously, it's not fair to mislead the electorate but politicians do it to win votes.
I would be more inclined to believe figures presented in hansard than the sun though.
It's not the inequality in the rest of the world that is the issue it's the inequality within the UK that is becoming the focus of debate.
They can and have made promises of no tax rises, so who is paying tax...
How can 0hrs and de professionalisation lead to a stable economy?

Well no, not obviously. If that figure is correct from the 'Centre for Cities' report it does not contradict Osborne's claim, who was saying that at the time of speaking it was the north-west which was witnessing the fastest growth in employment. Chancellor's don't just make things up. But I suppose a claim from a Labour MP = fact while a claim from a Tory MP = lie, forever and always.

Why are you talking about the Sun, who has mentioned figures of theirs? You are the only one to have mentioned that paper in this thread. I have cited a government report, a Financial Times survey and a budget speech of the chancellor. None of this credible enough?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well no, not obviously. If that figure is correct from the 'Centre for Cities' report it does not contradict Osborne's claim, who was saying that at the time of speaking it was the north-west which was witnessing the fastest growth in employment. Chancellor's don't just make things up. But I suppose a claim from a Labour MP = fact while a claim from a Tory MP = lie, forever and always.

Why are you talking about the Sun, who has mentioned figures of theirs? You are the only one to have mentioned that paper in this thread. I have cited a government report, a Financial Times survey and a budget speech of the chancellor. None of this credible enough?

And where is Osbornes information from? You appear so suspicious of the 'Centre for Cities' report and yet take whatever the chancellor says as gospel that's why, I can't view the FT report I don't believe the government employment figures for a second.

There is reference to another FT report in the debate ( I quoted Plaids Johnathon Edwards not Labour earlier)

London

“is a giant suction machine draining the life out of the rest of the country.”

Yet the Government do precious little to rectify that. Only last month the Financial Times reported that the wealth gap between London and the nations and regions is set to widen. A professor at the London School of Economics has noted that London is the

“dark star of the economy, inexorably sucking in resources, people and energy.”

The north west may be having the fastest growth how that will benefit anyone at grass root level is debatable.

Spoiler:

What are Hospital services?....

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And where is Osbornes information from? You appear so suspicious of the 'Centre for Cities' report and yet take whatever the chancellor says as gospel that's why, I can't view the FT report I don't believe the government employment figures for a second.

There is reference to another FT report in the debate ( I quoted Plaids Johnathon Edwards not Labour earlier)

London

“is a giant suction machine draining the life out of the rest of the country.”

Yet the Government do precious little to rectify that. Only last month the Financial Times reported that the wealth gap between London and the nations and regions is set to widen. A professor at the London School of Economics has noted that London is the

“dark star of the economy, inexorably sucking in resources, people and energy.”

The north west may be having the fastest growth how that will benefit anyone at grass root level is debatable.

Spoiler:

What are Hospital services?....

Presumably Osborne is citing the official treasury figures, choose to disbelieve them if you wish. I am hardly taking his word as gospel, I have no interest in cheerleading one side or the other.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and more good news today with the restrictions on unions

what a start for Dave and his crew

[Kizzy]

Links? if you mean the 40% ballot that's no big deal...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Links? if you mean the 40% ballot that's no big deal...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...rike-laws.html

Tories to bring in tough anti-strike laws

Sajid Javid, the new business secretary, says that the Tories will push ahead with tough new anti-strike legislation in their first Queen's Speech

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...rike-laws.html

Tories to bring in tough anti-strike laws

Sajid Javid, the new business secretary, says that the Tories will push ahead with tough new anti-strike legislation in their first Queen's Speech

Well that's fair enough the last strike had 80 or 90% support didn't it?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...rike-laws.html

Tories to bring in tough anti-strike laws

Sajid Javid, the new business secretary, says that the Tories will push ahead with tough new anti-strike legislation in their first Queen's Speech

About time.

[joeysteele]

Personally,I think Margaret Thatcher knew the score as to the Unions and she knew when enough was enough.
Having done her 'enough' she did no more.

This is just pure spite now and it is incredible the dictation of the percentages they want to be voting in industrial actions ballots, when this lot are in govt; with less than 37% of the votes from those who voted in the election and even worse,only around a quarter of the whole electorate who could have.

What hypocrisy.

[the truth]

thefact new labour hate these figures show how fake they are they SAY they are the people who care but they ACT like the people who dont.