[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

This thread is giving me a headache

Same

[Glenn.]

The Brian is a woman beater argument again. Grasping at straws

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Both of you again failed to address the instant Jack and I have stated. Try again.

"she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry"

Yes i did....he wasn't on the verge of tears..she was continuing an argument...

are you suggesting that in an argument..if your opponent stops talking you are required to as well? he wasn't picked on..he wasn't bullied..he was out argued..and lost his temper as a result..again

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.



I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation

He needed a straight jacket?

[Glenn.]

If you're scared of someone you don't continue to goad them into a reaction. I'm not accepting that she felt afraid and intimidated by Brian.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation

Exactly. That's the same as me picking out the single moment where Brian was standing over Helen calling her scum etc. and saying he was bullying her. People need to look at the whole argument here.

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It IS possible to believe Brian acted like a bellend throughout his stay, whilst feeling bad for him having Helen say what she eventually said...

Disliking one persons behavior doesn't mean you have to defend the other involved persons behavior too

Thanks.

I'm losing the will to live with this thread.

[GiRTh]

Kind of agree with the OP and a few Helen fans too. I think Helen was stitched up by BB and I'm a bit stunned she didnt see it coming or should I say her horrible personality made sure she didnt see it coming. I think she finally got it when she made the comment that she'd been portrayed as a bully. I'm not gonna get into whether she did or didnt bully anyone but her behaviour was very odd for an ex winner with nothing to prove who had been invited on to the show for a fee. Does Helen think she earned her money? I think she did a Jade Goody and is unlikely to ever be invited back. The use of the Poison track by Scherzinger for her leaving music made me laugh . It was very appropriate.

For me the comment that she made to Brian along the lines of 'What would you do if the cameras werent here' when it was clear he was about to blow. That is a straight up taunt. I dont know how she thinks he can get away with things like that. And then to really take the p*ss, she laughed. She knew what she was doing, she knew she'd wound him up and she thought this was funny. Oh dear!!!!

The other comment have been discussed. I';m not gonna say Brian was a saint of Nikki for that matter but did it never occur to Helen who she was arguing with? Both are more liked than hated, she's more hated than liked. It doesn't take genius to figure out that maybe it would be better if they picked their fight more carefully. Helen is most certainly not that genius.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He needed a straight jacket?

Instead he's getting a laughable stop bullying Brian campaign.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Quasar

If you're scared of someone you don't continue to goad them into a reaction. I'm not accepting that she felt afraid and intimidated by Brian.

doesn't that work the other way as well...i mean the whole thread is about poor brian being bullied and intimidated by helen...yet he continuously started arguments with helen..even helen and marc together..

seem by your own logic you would have to concede brain wasn't bullied

[GiRTh]

Almost forgot to mention the water works she turned on when she was crying with anger. First of all, what kind of person cries in anger. Thats completely ******ed up to start with.

This was the woman who has never been up for eviction yet was telling the HM's they've just got to get over it like she'd know anything about what it was like. Yet when she was picked on we get tears. What about get over it Helen. She is a walking contradiction.

[Griffin5779]

is kinda sad to go from the great entertaining bb winner to the poor little man helen wood made cry...thinking about that..i do feel kinda sorry for him

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Instead he's getting a laughable stop bullying Brian campaign.

Not from me he's not, I remember him the 1st time he was in,he was not wrapped up right then,maybe that why he only entered this time as an after thought when Gina refused the day before she was due in ,Belo has always been desperate,bet he keeps a suitcase packed ready in his bedsit waiting for a call

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Almost forgot to mention the water works she turned on when she was crying with anger. First of all, what kind of person cries in anger. Thats completely ******ed up to start with.

This was the woman who has never been up for eviction yet was telling the HM's they've just got to get over it like she'd know anything about what it was like. Yet when she was picked on we get tears. What about get over it Helen. She is a walking contradiction.

LOTS of people cry in anger, including me

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

LOTS of people cry in anger, including me

That doesn't surprise me.

[Liam-]

I cry when I'm angry/frustrated and my mother does, it's not all that unusual or '****ed up' as you seem to be indicating.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

That doesn't surprise me.

I do it at the same time I stamp my feet

[Kazanne]

If you've never cried in anger,you've never been truly angry.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If you've never cried in anger,you've never been truly angry.

I get angry when I'm angry so no.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I cry when I'm angry/frustrated and my mother does, it's not all that unusual or '****ed up' as you seem to be indicating.

Frustrated is understandable but crying when angry seem unusual to me.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I get angry when I'm angry so no.

So because you don't react a certain way to something, everyone else who does is ****ed up? righto

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So because you don't react a certain way to something, everyone else who does is ****ed up? righto

You think crying when angry is usual? Righto

I get angry when I'm angry I get upset when I'm upset I dont equate anger and upset as being at all similar.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not from me he's not, I remember him the 1st time he was in,he was not wrapped up right then,maybe that why he only entered this time as an after thought when Gina refused the day before she was due in ,Belo has always been desperate,bet he keeps a suitcase packed ready in his bedsit waiting for a call

He should go on Love Island, he'll soon find out that Helen isn't the only one that doesn't suffer fools gladly.

[GiRTh]

psychologist describe crying as the emotion you use to create comfort for an emotion. To gain comfort from crying when angry is very unusual.