[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Chaos

That's a good point. It's hard enough to teach children about sex education, but omg, imagine them having to teach about gay/lesbian sex, when most of them don't really know how it's done in the first place. Well, not properly anyway.

...well some teachers who teach sex education are probably virgins also and some aren't parents so it could be argued that they are not qualified to teach children/as thy have no experience of children etc...but the knowledge would be explained..and we're not quite talking every sexual position in schools anyway, which probably not many of us have experience of....

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't actually think that romantic kissing is shown on children's TV anyway, is it...but there would certainly never be any sexual content anyway..so if that question was asked..whether heterosexual or homosexual related, it would just surely be 'because they love each other/are married'..etc...

My kids might see me and their mum kiss sometimes like before we go out or if one of us goes to bed etc and they just know that's what we do,I hate to say it but that's 'normal' for them.I mean things like a princess kissing a frog and it turning into a prince and they go get married.If that was a prince kissing a frog and it turning into a prince then i've got some explaining to do right there.I'm gonna start getting the 'why' questions(which never end.lol).I have no choice as to when i want to approach the subject because that choice has been removed from us.
I think these things do need to be explained but imo only when the parent feels that their child is mature enough to understand.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

My kids might see me and their mum kiss sometimes like before we go out or if one of us goes to bed etc and they just know that's what we do,I hate to say it but that's 'normal' for them.I mean things like a princess kissing a frog and it turning into a prince and they go get married.If that was a prince kissing a frog and it turning into a prince then i've got some explaining to do right there.I'm gonna start getting the 'why' questions(which never end.lol).I have no choice as to when i want to approach the subject because that choice has been removed from us.
I think these things do need to be explained but imo only when the parent feels that their child is mature enough to understand.

..absolutely, I do agree with 'age appropriate' which would also be personal for the child themselves, because they all are able to absorb things at different ages..the Disney thing is quite interesting as well because little girls want to be the princess, don't they..?..and little boys want to be the prince, well often they don't because of course they're superman or someone far more exciting but that's the message being sent to them...but what if the little girl felt strongly that she wanted to be the prince or vice versa with the boy/he wanted to be the princess...they should feel that's also an 'ideal' because Disney is 'family'..that's what it's all about 'families' when families come in all shapes and sizes/type thing...my children are a lot older now but if any such question arose..(until they were old enough to understand 'sex'..)..but for the kiss thing...the same answer would be because they love each other...

..anyways I'm having a cooking day so I'll catch the thread again another time...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Yeah, that's totally understandable for that age range (don't worry I'm not calling you a bad parent for not explaining sexuality to a 3 year old sorry if it came off that way). I do think that there should be LGBT visibility in childrens shows for ages 7+ where they probably would be able to understand it more and there definitely should be more visibility needed approaching adolescence where young people may begin to realise their sexuality and won't feel so alone growing up.

I agree.

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

as long as its around 5% of the time to reflect reality

Well that doesn't really reflect reality at seeing as those statistics are incorrect; there is much more of the LGBT community..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Třm

Well that doesn't really reflect reality at seeing as those statistics are incorrect; there is much more of the LGBT community..

all the figures I have ever seen is 5%

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...well some teachers who teach sex education are probably virgins also and some aren't parents so it could be argued that they are not qualified to teach children/as thy have no experience of children etc...but the knowledge would be explained..and we're not quite talking every sexual position in schools anyway, which probably not many of us have experience of....

hahaha omg so much thought has to go into this subject it's unreal. I feel bad for any teacher who has to do the sex ed... not fun... not fun at all. I can just imagine teachers telling pupils that lesbians just scissor all the time and all gay guys do is anal.

what they should really tell kids (WHO ARE OLD ENOUGH OF COURSE omg) that its all about the foreplay. Most important advice you can ever give anyone!!!!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

tbh its the parents job to teach the children about this not a bloody cartoon

Why the **** did'nt i just type this!?
You just summarised all my posts in 15 words.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chaos

hahaha omg so much thought has to go into this subject it's unreal. I feel bad for any teacher who has to do the sex ed... not fun... not fun at all. I can just imagine teachers telling pupils that lesbians just scissor all the time and all gay guys do is anal.

what they should really tell kids (WHO ARE OLD ENOUGH OF COURSE omg) that its all about the foreplay. Most important advice you can ever give anyone!!!!

Classes should be full of heterosexual men....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Why the **** did'nt i just type this!?
You just summarised all my posts in 15 words.

what's to teach? Having a gay couple on a TV show is just having a gay couple on a TV show not a sex education lesson

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

My kids might see me and their mum kiss sometimes like before we go out or if one of us goes to bed etc and they just know that's what we do,I hate to say it but that's 'normal' for them.I mean things like a princess kissing a frog and it turning into a prince and they go get married.If that was a prince kissing a frog and it turning into a prince then i've got some explaining to do right there.I'm gonna start getting the 'why' questions(which never end.lol).I have no choice as to when i want to approach the subject because that choice has been removed from us.
I think these things do need to be explained but imo only when the parent feels that their child is mature enough to understand.

..what I meant was, because I do waffle a bit is that in the context of a children's TV show or at a primary school which I mentioned earlier...all that would be portrayed as also a 'norm' because it is..is a gay couple, no kissing, no sex or anything because children's TV isn't something that shows that anyway but a gay teacher for instance should be able to introduce their partner in the same way as a heterosexual teacher can ...I mean, I talk about my OH to school children if it's something in a conversation but it's not like I ever say...'oh Mr Ammi...the guy I have SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS with regularly'...or who I kiss regularly...etc...

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all the figures I have ever seen is 5%

Even those statistics are bogus.. They're not exactly going to interview everyone, and there's still a lot of closeted people so the statistic does not fully show how much of the community is apparent in everyday life..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what I meant was, because I do waffle a bit is that in the context of a children's TV show or at a primary school which I mentioned earlier...all that would be portrayed as also a 'norm' because it is..is a gay couple, no kissing, no sex or anything because children's TV isn't something that shows that anyway but a gay teacher for instance should be able to introduce their partner in the same way as a heterosexual teacher can ...I mean, I talk about my OH to school children if it's something in a conversation but it's not like I ever say...'oh Mr Ammi...the guy I have SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS with regularly'...or who I kiss regularly...etc...[

But yes exactly

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Chaos

hahaha omg so much thought has to go into this subject it's unreal. I feel bad for any teacher who has to do the sex ed... not fun... not fun at all. I can just imagine teachers telling pupils that lesbians just scissor all the time and all gay guys do is anal.

what they should really tell kids (WHO ARE OLD ENOUGH OF COURSE omg) that its all about the foreplay. Most important advice you can ever give anyone!!!!

..you come teach, we need you.....last year was actually the first year that sex education was on the curriculum as our school is now for slightly older children as well and we did have to send a letter to parents/have them come in and talk to them about hat they're children would be learning etc and would they be ok with that..?..anyways, they also wanted the children to come to the meeting and to let them decide if they wanted it..(because it doesn't have to be covered/it just has to be some kind of personal development topic..)...and from the children it was a unanimous nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, good gracious me................

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what I meant was, because I do waffle a bit is that in the context of a children's TV show or at a primary school which I mentioned earlier...all that would be portrayed as also a 'norm' because it is..is a gay couple, no kissing, no sex or anything because children's TV isn't something that shows that anyway but a gay teacher for instance should be able to introduce their partner in the same way as a heterosexual teacher can ...I mean, I talk about my OH to school children if it's something in a conversation but it's not like I ever say...'oh Mr Ammi...the guy I have SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS with regularly'...or who I kiss regularly...etc...

Idk.It's tricky.Maybe if all teachers(gay or straight) just said 'my partener' or 'my other half'.That would surely be a level playing field for everyone along with not putting the parents in a situation that they don't feel ready for?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Idk.It's tricky.Maybe if all teachers(gay or straight) just said 'my partener' or 'my other half'.That would surely be a level playing field for everyone along with not putting the parents in a situation that they don't feel ready for?

Parents make it a bigger issue than it has to be, it's really pretty simple to explain. Some men like men and some women like women, kids wouldn't even give it another thought after that if adults didn't make such a big thing about it

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what's to teach? Having a gay couple on a TV show is just having a gay couple on a TV show not a sex education lesson

Which i think is fine......at a certain age.Not when a child is'nt ready to understand.Imo.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Parents make it a bigger issue than it has to be, it's really pretty simple to explain. Some men like men and some women like women, kids wouldn't even give it another thought after that if adults didn't make such a big thing about it

Yeah but then you've got to explain what you mean by 'like'.I mean we don't kiss everyone we like do we.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Which i think is fine......at a certain age.Not when a child is'nt ready to understand.Imo.

I think you're wrong, again we're not talking about sex education here, I don't understand what you mean by"when a child isn't ready to understand" understand what? that some men have boyfriends instead of girlfriends? What's hard to understand about that

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think you're wrong, again we're not talking about sex education here, I don't understand what you mean by"when a child isn't ready to understand" understand what? that some men have boyfriends instead of girlfriends? What's hard to understand about that

But why?......

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah but then you've got to explain what you mean by 'like'.I mean we don't kiss everyone we like do we.

But you could say that about straight couples too. I remember reading a story actually around the time leading up to the gay marriage referendum here in Ireland, it went something like this :

"how are we going to explain all this to our children?" Well my 4 year old asked me the other day why Uncle Bob and John kiss and I said because they're in love like mommy and daddy are and he said Oh right ok..........

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Parents make it a bigger issue than it has to be, it's really pretty simple to explain. Some men like men and some women like women, kids wouldn't even give it another thought after that if adults didn't make such a big thing about it

..haha, that's exactly right..the first questions (and probably the only ones..)..would be...ok, can we go for a walk now/what time are we having tea...etc...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Idk.It's tricky.Maybe if all teachers(gay or straight) just said 'my partener' or 'my other half'.That would surely be a level playing field for everyone along with not putting the parents in a situation that they don't feel ready for?

..yes, that really should happen and they be able to show their class their wedding photographs and talk about their special day ...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..you come teach, we need you.....last year was actually the first year that sex education was on the curriculum as our school is now for slightly older children as well and we did have to send a letter to parents/have them come in and talk to them about hat they're children would be learning etc and would they be ok with that..?..anyways, they also wanted the children to come to the meeting and to let them decide if they wanted it..(because it doesn't have to be covered/it just has to be some kind of personal development topic..)...and from the children it was a unanimous nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, good gracious me................

So sex education is on the curriculum for older children but they were asked and they didn't want it?.... don't ask them if they want maths then :\

[Ammi]

..because some subjects are compulsory and always have been which I'm sure that you know..