[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There was a thread on that on which many were disgusted that that was hacked and yet nobody likes a cheat....

Damn I missed that!

I think that site is shameful and the alarming thing is, the huge amount of members. Something like 1.5 million Brits were using it.

As far as I'm concerned, people who are prepared to cheat deserve to get caught.

[Livia]

Unregulated hackers are not the morality police. Who are they to decide to expose cheats? People don't want MI5 to have more powers but some are happy to have a faceless, unregulated group of hackers expose people's private business online? Seems like a bit of a double standard to fit an agenda to me.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Unregulated hackers are not the morality police. Who are they to decide to expose cheats? People don't want MI5 to have more powers but some are happy to have a faceless, unregulated group of hackers expose people's private business online? Seems like a bit of a double standard to fit an agenda to me.

Oh - Yeah. Double Standards is exactly what it is -- as per usual.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Unregulated hackers are not the morality police. Who are they to decide to expose cheats? People don't want MI5 to have more powers but some are happy to have a faceless, unregulated group of hackers expose people's private business online? Seems like a bit of a double standard to fit an agenda to me.

If you are stupid enough to have your details on sites like that then you take the risk of them being hacked... it's the internet, it happens.
The difference there being it's your choice, the proposals that security services have everyones data is not our choice is it?
So although you've manipulated this scenario to meet your agenda it hasn't worked has it? Because the flaws are apparent.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you are stupid enough to have your details on sites like that then you take the risk of them being hacked... it's the internet, it happens.
The difference there being it's your choice, the proposals that security services have everyones data is not our choice is it?
So although you've manipulated this scenario to meet your agenda it hasn't worked has it? Because the flaws are apparent.

It's basically the same thing as the Heidi Fleiss controversy in the 90s... She refused to release the names of her clients though. That was very admirable of her.

And i love heidi fleiss, she was an awesome housemate.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you are stupid enough to have your details on sites like that then you take the risk of them being hacked... it's the internet, it happens.
The difference there being it's your choice, the proposals that security services have everyones data is not our choice is it?
So although you've manipulated this scenario to meet your agenda it hasn't worked has it? Because the flaws are apparent.

Cheating may be immoral but it is not illegal. Hacking, extortion and blackmail are.

By your criterion, if stupidity justifies being a victim of crime, every skimpily dressed girl in our town centres on a weekend is 'asking for it', and anyone taking a shortcut through a dark underpass on a night is asking to be robbed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Cheating may be immoral but it is not illegal. Hacking, extortion and blackmail are.

By your criterion, if stupidity justifies being a victim of crime, every skimpily dressed girl in our town centres on a weekend is 'asking for it', and anyone taking a shortcut through a dark underpass on a night is asking to be robbed.

Wow this debate got very dark very fast, no the two crimes are in no way similar,.there couldn't and shouldn't be any comparisons drawn.

[Northern Monkey]

Have cheated on women in the past when i was younger and just did'nt care tbh.Have never and will never cheat on the woman i'm with now.I think most people have cheated when they're young like in their 20's.Some people just don't grow out of it.I have as i would never want to risk losing what i have now.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Have cheated on women in the past when i was younger and just did'nt care tbh.Have never and will never cheat on the woman i'm with now.I think most people have cheated when they're young like in their 20's.Some people just don't grow out of it.I have as i would never want to risk losing what i have now.

did you get caught?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lostalex

did you get caught?

Once but i wriggled out of it,Me and my gf at the time never trusted each other again though and it only lasted a year.Was very young though.Cba with all that now.I think i probably never found anyone i felt close to until now.Been with my misses 8 years now so was 26 when i met her.Before then i was immature and just did'nt care about all them feelings n ****.It was all about getting the penis away.lol.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Once but i wriggled out of it,Me and my gf at the time never trusted each other again though and it only lasted a year.Was very young though.Cba with all that now.I think i probably never found anyone i felt close to until now.Been with my misses 8 years now so was 26 when i met her.Before then i was immature and just did'nt care about all them feelings n ****.It was all about getting the penis away.lol.

well i'm glad you've improved as a partner.

It's a very arrogant and selfish thing to do to someone.

don't you worry about karma? the indian mentality would be that you will be betrayed by your partner, the universe needs justice.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well i'm glad you've improved as a partner.

It's a very arrogant and selfish thing to do to someone.

don't you worry about karma? the indian mentality would be that you will be betrayed by your partner, the universe needs justice.

It has happened to me twice
I think from my experience that relationships don't work properly until people mature and get all that sex with multiple partners out of their system.Everyone i know who settled down young has had relationship problems.I did'nt properly 'settle down' until i'd had some fun and it seems to work better.Not so much curiosity.

[DemolitionRed]

I didn't say the hackers were doing the right thing. I just explained what they did before giving my opinion of the site and then, in another paragraph I said...

...As far as I'm concerned, people who are prepared to cheat deserve to get caught.

Its ok though Kirk, as per usual, I expected that retort

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I didn't say the hackers were doing the right thing. I just explained what they did before giving my opinion of the site and then, in another paragraph I said...

...As far as I'm concerned, people who are prepared to cheat deserve to get caught.

Its ok though Kirk, as per usual, I expected that retort

So that I do not derail this thread, I will expound about 'Double Standards' on a new thread later. Though I do not expect some to agree - obviously.

[Niamh.]

lol Northeren Monkey

but yeah I would consider a kiss cheating ( a proper kiss) obviously cheating to a lesser degree to sleeping with someone but still cheating

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

lol Northeren Monkey

but yeah I would consider a kiss cheating ( a proper kiss) obviously cheating to a lesser degree to sleeping with someone but still cheating

I'd be far more hurt by a relationship where they'd kissed and confided in each other than I would be if was just someone he'd banged.

[Lostie!]

I'd absolutely class kissing someone else (in a romantic / sexual manner) as cheating. I don't see why it wouldn't be.

[DemolitionRed]

If I ever found out that my man had, had an affair or even a one night fling, I could never trust him again and when trust has gone, so has the relationship.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If I ever found out that my man had, had an affair or even a one night fling, I could never trust him again and when trust has gone, so has the relationship.

That's the thing isn't it. Maybe some people can get past it and that's up to them but surely deep down you have to wonder every single time they are somewhere else you don't know if they are up to the same old tricks.

How can you know for sure if someone is indeed truly sorry for what they have done and is it worth all the mental torture that it will put you through?

I don't envy people in long term relationships who have to make that decision, especially if there's kids and friends of the both of you involved.

[user104658]

But what if you were "on a break"

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But what if you were "on a break"

Shut it Ross.

[DemolitionRed]

Whilst cheating isn't illegal, what it can do is destroy the life of the spouse and throw a childs life into turmoil. One of the common reasons for men committing suicide and attempting suicide is from a marriage/relationship split because men who lose their wife often have complicated access to their children.

Remaining faithful doesn't have to follow the rules of law but having an affair can devastate lives; therefore, promoting and enticing people to be unfaithful in my eyes is heinous because of the devastation that often follows.

Here's another example of action that can be deemed illegal.
You see a distressed dog in a hot car so you call 999. After a further 10-15 minutes of the police not arriving you take action into your own hands and smash a window. This could be classed as criminal damage and, potentially, you may need to be prepared to defend your actions in court. Did you do the right thing or should you only work within the arm of the law?

The question is, should this site of been allowed to continue? and should we sympathise with this site over what happened to it?

I feel that because of the sheer number of members on that site, all looking to do something that society deems immoral; it speaks volumes about how fractured our society is regarding being faithful within a relationship.

I also don't believe that these hackers thought about the consequences of their actions. The aftermath of devastation is huge because spouses not in the know are now in the know. The site itself was charging for people to delete profiles and when members got wind of what was about to happen, there was a sudden flood of people paying to get out (hmm something not quite right about this). Profiles were deleted but peoples information was stored and not deleted, so even if they weren't continuing with the site they were still outed.

[Livia]

So we're going with...

Unnamed illegal hackers releasing people's details on the Internet if what those people are doing breaks their particular code of ethics but doesn't necessarily break the law = Good.

MI5 want more power to do their jobs = Bad.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

So we're going with...

Unnamed illegal hackers releasing people's details on the Internet if what those people are doing breaks their particular code of ethics but doesn't necessarily break the law = Good.

MI5 want more power to do their jobs = Bad.

I explained my stance on this yesterday, if that's what you're going with it seems rather simplistic... Don't forget that at the moment MI5 are illegal hackers.