[Kyle]

And just to add that is nevertheless an admirable philosophy from your grandmother Joey. It reminds me very much of a chivalric code where the strong are dutybound to become the protectorate of those who are unable to defend themselves.

[JoshBB]

I don't think you can 100% prove what happens... but I think there's like a 95% chance that what it's like for us when dead is what it's like for before we were born.. nothing. But not 'nothing' in a scary/boring way.. I don't think we'll even know we're dead. Or be able to form thoughts.

[AnnieK]

I have no idea but in the hours before my mum died she sat up lifted her arms as if to hug someone and smiled the most beautiful peaceful smile. She had been unable to communicate or even open her eyes for days and she hadn't been able to sit up for around 2 weeks. I would love to think someone had come to take her spirit to a better place....although my head tells me different, that's what my heart believes. I see no benefit in ridiculing or belittling people's belief. Death is the final separation from loved ones so if people want to believe they will meet again, where's the harm in that. I don't care what can be proven, disproven or anything else....if people take comfort in something in this hell hole of a life, what's the problem?.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I have no idea but in the hours before my mum died she sat up lifted her arms as if to hug someone and smiled the most beautiful peaceful smile. She had been unable to communicate or even open her eyes for days and she hadn't been able to sit up for around 2 weeks. I would love to think someone had come to take her spirit to a better place....although my head tells me different, that's what my heart believes. I see no benefit in ridiculing or belittling people's belief. Death is the final separation from loved ones so if people want to believe they will meet again, where's the harm in that. I don't care what can be proven, disproven or anything else....if people take comfort in something in this hell hole of a life, what's the problem?.

My sentiments exactly Annie.
Both my mil and my dad were talking to people for a day or two before they died, both intelligent and lucid people as well

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I have no idea but in the hours before my mum died she sat up lifted her arms as if to hug someone and smiled the most beautiful peaceful smile. She had been unable to communicate or even open her eyes for days and she hadn't been able to sit up for around 2 weeks. I would love to think someone had come to take her spirit to a better place....although my head tells me different, that's what my heart believes. I see no benefit in ridiculing or belittling people's belief. Death is the final separation from loved ones so if people want to believe they will meet again, where's the harm in that. I don't care what can be proven, disproven or anything else....if people take comfort in something in this hell hole of a life, what's the problem?.

no problem but lets not think that its factual and stick to the science

its the science that has doubled the life expectancy in 100 years and not anecdotal wishful thinking

[MTVN]

Few thousand years in purgatory first I expect, imagine that will resemble a doctor's waiting room where I have to browse the same old magazines time and time again. All be worth it though when my sins are atoned for and I ascend that shiny staircase to my new mansion in the sky

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Few thousand years in purgatory first I expect, imagine that will resemble a doctor's waiting room where I have to browse the same old magazines time and time again. All be worth it though when my sins are atoned for and I ascend that shiny staircase to my new mansion in the sky

Sorry, but what's purgatory? I'm not familiar with the concept completely.

Is it like Hell but it only lasts a certain amount of time? or literally an in-between before heaven/hell?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Sorry, but what's purgatory? I'm not familiar with the concept completely.

Is it like Hell but it only lasts a certain amount of time? or literally an in-between before heaven/hell?

It's an inbetween (not as bad as hell but pretty horrible) where you are purified of your sins before entering heaven. It's a Catholic idea but its controversial because its never actually mentioned in the Bible and its one of the main things Protestant reformers attacked about the Church: they saw it mainly as a way to make money because people would try and reduce the time they have to spend in purgatory by donations etc.

[Ammi]

..it's a bit like being put in a holding cell while they have a little chat about it ...no actually they weren't too bad so we'll give them the wings.../nope, did you not see them last Friday../grim is all and looking at Mrs Thomson getting dressed through those binoculars...it would be like having your death pad decided by a SD thread debate...

[Ninastar]

why dont you find out and tell us

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

If our energy was infinite we wouldn't need to eat. We get our energy from food and energy is dispersed via metabolism, when we die we don't eat, we don't have a metabolism, we have nothing, we are dead. Fact.

No he's right, energy can't be created or destroyed and I presume is dissipated from our bodies when we die.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow

No he's right, energy can't be created or destroyed and I presume is dissipated from our bodies when we die.

Yeah exactly, decomposition takes energy etc..

[Ninastar]

No one knows for sure and to say you know for a fact is naive and just plain stupid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Chaos

No one knows for sure and to say you know for a fact is naive and just plain stupid.

yes but you do get that its not 50/50?

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Chaos

No one knows for sure and to say you know for a fact is naive and just plain stupid.

Who are you addressing?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow

Who are you addressing?

anyone who states their opinion as fact

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Chaos

anyone who states their opinion as fact

Not me then?

[Liam-]

I don't really have an opinion on what actually happens, but I hope that your spirit can live on after your body has stopped working, after all they do say that the human body is just a vessel for the soul to live in and once the body is done, the spirit just roams free.. I'm not scared of death or what it brings, but a little romanticising never hurt anyone imo.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yeah exactly, decomposition takes energy etc..

Sorry perhaps I jumped into the conversation without fully understanding what everyone's viewpoint was!

[Jay.]

I don't really like to think about it,

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jay.

I don't really like to think about it,

I love Jay in debates.

[Ammi]

..none of us know and if we did know then we wouldn't be in a position to say we knew...


...(I think..)..that 'the point of life' is that if we're really, really lucky, we won't die in that a few people we have known and whose lives we have touched, may still carry us in their hearts..that somehow we may have made a positive impact which will continue through those we have loved on earth...if that happens...if that 'energy' or 'spirit' is carried, then it will be different to how it's carried and 'felt' in everyone, individual to them, like everything is individual to a person...I can 'feel' my dad when I need to..when I need him to be here because everything he was and who he was is within me and there when I need it...he won't 'truly die' because he loved so much and that love stays within people in his life...

[Ammi]

..makes sense to me anyway..and I think that's the thing as well...people will make their own sense...

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..none of us know and if we did know then we wouldn't be in a position to say we knew...


...(I think..)..that 'the point of life' is that if we're really, really lucky, we won't die in that a few people we have known and whose lives we have touched, may still carry us in their hearts..that somehow we may have made a positive impact which will continue through those we have loved on earth...if that happens...if that 'energy' or 'spirit' is carried, then it will be different to how it's carried and 'felt' in everyone, individual to them, like everything is individual to a person...I can 'feel' my dad when I need to..when I need him to be here because everything he was and who he was is within me and there when I need it...he won't 'truly die' because he loved so much and that love stays within people in his life...

Your post reminds me of the point Anne Hathaway's character makes in Interstellar. Love is the one thing that transcends space and time.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Your post reminds me of the point Anne Hathaway's character makes in Interstellar. Love is the one thing that transcends space and time.

..I guess that's a good way of putting it Kyle..obviously it's deeper and lots of points or meanings to life but 'love' would be the quick answer..(for me..)..and I guess in a balance to that, probably 'hate' also...you know, those 'evil' people that leave the earth...when they leave..'their point' and how they're carried can be mostly pain, which would outweigh the love they have brought to some../people who have loved them...