[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So what was the real reason then?

I don't know why he asked ann. But I don't think it was to upset her. He did apologise when he realised she was upset.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No just embarrass her

Yes. Maybe that school friend on Twitter is telling the truth when he says Andrew 'thrived on publicly humiliating people'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes. Maybe that school friend on Twitter is telling the truth when he says Andrew 'thrived on publicly humiliating people'.

well, seems like the proof is coming out there on our TV screens.....

[armand.kay]

Andrew probably didn’t think t through properly and didn’t consider how it would embarrass her. We all make mistakes and he apologised for it but I guess when you’re in the house you’ll be psychoanalysed by viewers until they find an ulterior motive that sticks.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

well, seems like the proof is coming out there on our TV screens.....

If he wanted to upset her he would never ha apologised to her. That's the way I see it anyway.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ashley said that to put Andrew off I'd imagine, thinking he won't ask Ann that. I'm sure she had no intention of waxing his ass no matter what Ann said

Andrew is an idiot and Ashley is just as stupid for encouraging him .

As if he needed Ann's "approval" & "advice" on something like that! . And tbh he's lucky Ann Still spoke to him , if anything Andrew is the one who should be told to F off or P off I know I'd tell the creep that .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Andrew probably didn’t think t through properly and didn’t consider how it would embarrass her. We all make mistakes and he apologised for it but I guess when you’re in the house you’ll be psychoanalysed by viewers until they find an ulterior motive that sticks.

Why did he feel the need to open ask her permission? There was no need! He should hav asked his mate Shane.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Andrew probably didn’t think t through properly and didn’t consider how it would embarrass her. We all make mistakes and he apologised for it but I guess when you’re in the house you’ll be psychoanalysed by viewers until they find an ulterior motive that sticks.

That's fine, my main thing though was people blaming Ann and saying she was in the wrong and should be told to piss off because it embarrassed her and she told him that

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well like I said IF IT'S TRUE, but Andrew doesn't exactly have a good rep from Apprentice as there was rumours he was having an affair with Anisa who supposedly was engaged .

There's just something about Andrew I don't trust , it feels like he's studied BB and he's always doing stuff for camera time . On the outside world he'd probably shun Shane J or take pee out of him .

So your argument against him is based on what? Rumours?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's fine, my main thing though was people blaming Ann and saying she was in the wrong and should be told to piss off because it embarrassed her and she told him that

I never said Ann was in the wrong and needs to be told to piss off. I think no one as in the wrong. Andrew shouldn't have asked her, but she overreacted.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

So your argument against him is based on what? Rumours?

Exactly. Andrew hasn't bullied anyone in the house.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I never said Ann was in the wrong and needs to be told to piss off. I think no one as in the wrong. Andrew shouldn't have asked her, but she overreacted.

Why do you think just because he apologised that it's okay?? .
His apology was staged . He slagged Ann down afterwards in the garden , he has no balls .

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's fine, my main thing though was people blaming Ann and saying she was in the wrong and should be told to piss off because it embarrassed her and she told him that

No I don’t agree with that he was definitely in the wrong but he probably didn’t imagine Ann would be that upset by it.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Why do you think just because he apologised that it's okay?? .
His apology was staged . He slagged Ann down afterwards in the garden he has no balls .

Of course it's OK. I don't see why not.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

No I don’t agree with that he was definitely in the wrong but he probably didn’t imagine Ann would be that upset by it.

I agree with that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's fine, my main thing though was people blaming Ann and saying she was in the wrong and should be told to piss off because it embarrassed her and she told him that

OMG this debate is hilarious at the thought of Ann understandably being uncomfortable but being told to "piss off" . Andrew is the tool that should be told to piss off .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

OMG this debate is hilarious at the thought of Ann understandably being uncomfortable but being told to "piss off" . Andrew is the tool that should be told to piss off .

Andrew didn't tell her to piss off.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

No I don’t agree with that he was definitely in the wrong but he probably didn’t imagine Ann would be that upset by it.

Maybe, maybe not but I mean considering everyone has been very careful about what they say to Ann (in terms of vulgarity etc) I think he probably had a fair idea that she wouldn't like it

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe, maybe not but I mean considering everyone has been very careful about what they say to Ann (in terms of vulgarity etc) I think he probably had a fair idea that she wouldn't like it

I don't think he expected her to kick off about it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think he expected her to kick off about it.

You think he thought she'd just be quietly embarrassed to herself instead then?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Andrew didn't tell her to piss off.

No but you want to just because she was uncomfortable .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

No but you want to just because she was uncomfortable .

No, because she overreacted massively.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You think he thought she'd just be quietly embarrassed to herself instead then?

I think it was over the top, yes.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You think he thought she'd just be quietly embarrassed to herself instead then?

Andrew is as transparent as a window , he knows how outspoken and honest Ann is. She's not going to sit quietly while he disrespects her and I'm glad she told him off .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Why did he feel the need to open ask her permission? There was no need! He should hav asked his mate Shane.

Because the men have to get looked after by the women...