[Ammi]

...anyway, he was quite possibly approached and encouraged by the news media to help ‘create’ this story, which only serves to cause more divisiveness, when it’s the last thing that is needed in the present day...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if we took away all of the racist/stereotype negative attachments to golliwogs, which there are...if we replaced the ‘display of dolls’ in such a prominent quantity as is reported, with clown dolls or dolls of ‘days gone by’, which could be very ‘creepy’ by nature and would make some feel very uncomfortable, in their display...so would deter from drinking in the pub, surely that would be something the pub owner would consider in losing some potential custom because it’s a business../his livelihood...so he wouldn’t think...oh, I’m going to make a stand with these dolls, I like them very much and you can take them or leave them, you’re jus5 being very PC..and if they offend you, then just don’t come here...so the fact that he’s essentially doing that, is very odd I feel.../..almost like business suicide, to adopt such an adamant stance when his whole business caters to not offending any public..either deliberately or unintentionally...I’m not sure if it’s a family pub or a drinking pub, but if it were me and a child for instance, who felt uncomfortable with a doll../..any doll...I would remove the doll and think I probably wouldn’t put it back again when they had left because it had in some way ‘offended’ or upset...

As covered in the bit I added to my post above at the bottom, I think they're clearly trying to cater to a certain customer base, and feel like this is some sort of protest statement.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...anyway, he was quite possibly approached and encouraged by the news media to help ‘create’ this story, which only serves to cause more divisiveness, when it’s the last thing that is needed in the present day...

I dunno, I get a strong impression that they sold the story to the press themselves...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As covered in the bit I added to my post above at the bottom, I think they're clearly trying to cater to a certain customer base, and feel like this is some sort of protest statement.

Have you ever been to Grays in Essex?

Id say they have done their marketing well

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Have you ever been to Grays in Essex?

Id say they have done their marketing well

I try not to go too far south of Manchester, I get hives. I think I'm allergic to Westminster.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I try not to go too far south of Manchester, I get hives. I think I'm allergic to Westminster.

...well maybe if you were brave enough to venture to East Anglia, i’d have some rooms ready for you and all the TS people to stay...we’re quite welcoming here, I think..by birth, I’m a Northern gal though, so I do find the local people strange sometimes....

[Ammi]

...mind if you start sneezing then you’re out...I’m quite OCD about stuff like that..

[Withano]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Maybe you could say that seeing as gollywogs are loved, cuddled and generally associated with happiness, denying this lovely man. As that is how i can only judge him. Denying him the right to show off a historic toy as popular as teddy bears like the gollywog is tantamount to racism itself...so maybe you are the racist cause you are seeing a cuddly toy as something nasty simply because its black.

Excellent, well thought-out argument. 10/10.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its interesting that we howl at the gollywog but are "happy" with say the fashion industry and its hideous caricature of what a woman should look like?

Its not a direct comparison i know but its one for sure

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As covered in the bit I added to my post above at the bottom, I think they're clearly trying to cater to a certain customer base, and feel like this is some sort of protest statement.

It’s a stuffed toy. We all know what it represents but there are many things to be offended by, such as the use of offensive language and treatment which is much more dangerous. A lot of women get offended by stupid stereotypes such as Barbie dolls, me included, but to ban one and not another shows how society as a whole treats the views of women. Women however are expected to ignore it and get over themselves. It’s just a bit of fun don’t you know.

Then to appease certain religious groups dominated by men women are expected to tolerate women covering themselves in public and everything that represents but yet again women are expected to suck it up. Men self-identifying as women are being given rights that override the rights of women born that way but still women are expected to suck it up. I would say sexism is a bigger problem in the modern world than racism or any other ‘ism’.

[Ammi]

..it isn’t any type of comparison though, not even a vague one...the two thought trains are of ‘acceptability in the past’ v ‘acceptability and offence in the present day’ and what we now are given reason to think more deeply about...I think that most people agree that past or present, ‘too slim’ has never been acceptable to portray as ‘fashionable’...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its interesting that we howl at the gollywog but are "happy" with say the fashion industry and its hideous caricature of what a woman should look like?

Its not a direct comparison i know but its one for sure

Literally nobody is 'happy' with the fashion industry. Who did you talk to before deciding that this was a fact you should share?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Literally nobody is 'happy' with the fashion industry. Who did you talk to before deciding that this was a fact you should share?

people buy the clothes, they buy the magazines that support the industry, they watch the tv shows

i dont see any demonstrations in Londons streets

i expect every member bought clothes in high street shops in the last month


Not sure what point it is you are making?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

people buy the clothes, they buy the magazines that support the industry, they watch the tv shows

i dont see any demonstrations in Londons streets

i expect every member bought clothes in high street shops in the last month


Not sure what point it is you are making?

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

i understand you try your best and that is all you can do

[Marches]

I like how this slightly interestin discussion dissolved into people ignoring good posts and responding to random points to make their argument look better

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marches

I like how this slightly interestin discussion dissolved into people ignoring good posts and responding to random points to make their argument look better

Welcome to Tibb

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

It’s only women, they are expected to suffer ie starve themselves, nevermind the long-term effects that is likely to have on their bodies, all in the name of selling sex - of the female kind that is. I don’t see male models expected to look that way.

Women are used to sell sex in most industries, not just the fashion industry, and the message is always the same - to please men, of any colour. It has always been and still is a far bigger problem than other ‘isms’.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It’s only women, they are expected to suffer ie starve themselves, nevermind the long-term effects that is likely to have on their bodies, all in the name of selling sex - of the female kind that is. I don’t see male models expected to look that way.

Women are used to sell sex in most industries, not just the fashion industry, and the message is always the same - to please men, of any colour. It has always been and still is a far bigger problem than other ‘isms’.

Apparently Brillo, youre not unhappy with this because you wear clothes. LT has spoken.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Apparently Brillo, youre not unhappy with this because you wear clothes. LT has spoken.

well its as complicit as having a gollywog in your pub if you take it to a logical conclusion

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well its as complicit as having a gollywog in your pub if you take it to a logical conclusion

Yeah a similar number of people in the country wear clothes and own gollywogs. These are all good points you are making LT, i dunno why youre being defensive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yeah a similar number of people in the country wear clothes and own gollywogs. These are all good points you are making LT, i dunno why youre being defensive.

im not the one denying the fashion industry and its portrayal of women is largely ignored whilst trying to be outraged about a puppet


because, that be you

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

im not the one denying the fashion industry and its portrayal of women is largely ignored whilst trying to be outraged about a puppet


because, that be you

You literally made the thread about the puppet, and not the fashion industry, sweet lord have your breakfast, already.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

im not the one denying the fashion industry and its portrayal of women is largely ignored whilst trying to be outraged about a puppet


because, that be you

wtf has this got to do with gollywogs and pubs

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

wtf has this got to do with gollywogs and pubs

One can make a comparison in order to highlight the futility of the other?