[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Is it? That's not the impression I got when I joined
I suppose you could do a statistical analysis of say, a month worth of SD threads to check that
Imo, the forum shows left-lean in polls but in threads, right wing is the loudest

Your a relative newbie - and anyone can tell you it has always been a left wing site. The odds have been stacked against the centre right from day one. But they still stand their ground and make their point.

[Withano]

There are more left wing members than right wing members
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...889&highlight=
But for some reason there are still more anti-left and pro-right threads. It is odd.

[Niamh.]

can you all stick to the topic please and drop this boring argument?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

can you all stick to the topic please and drop this boring argument?

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[Northern Monkey]

I think we(as a country) need to step away from the left/right paradigm and not be so tribalistic for these politicians.Both sides have major faults.Time to step back and look at things objectively.If there is a right way then i think it can only be the centre.
Capitalism and Socialism are both needed for a country to prosper.
Put down your swords TIBB.These politicians won’t fight for you.

[jet]

So back on topic - IF there was another GE, how would you vote?

[bots]

isn't it the duty of every opposition party to want an election so that they can get in to power? If they didn't want an election and the chance to govern, it wouldn't be a democracy

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here ignoring my warning, I will start infracting people if you continue to ignore it and keep discussing eachother rather than the thread topic

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are more left wing members than right wing members
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...889&highlight=
But for some reason there are still more anti-left and pro-right threads. It is odd.

The weight on the left in polls comes from "lurking" members from other sections who will vote in polls but don't post in SD's (because, let's face it, SD's is a fight pit and really not for everyone even at the best of times). In terms of actual active SD members in threads, we're mostly scattered around the middle fairly evenly and in terms of those who are more vocally right / left, right does tend to outnumber left slightly. I'm not really sure why everyone is so insistent that they are "outnumbered" or somehow hard done by... literally THE hardest thing to do on this forum is to try to toe any sort of middle ground. Both "sides" get plenty of backup.

[edit] I may have ignored the thread topic so... errrmmm... something something Geremy something Corbyn something election something something. Too many elections and literally no one wants another to shift one or two seats around. If Corbyn thinks that Labour would win a GE if one was held soon, he's simply incorrect. I can't see voting stats altering AT ALL from the last one.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Deleted some posts in here ignoring my warning, I will start infracting people if you continue to ignore it and keep discussing eachother rather than the thread topic

What was wrong with the posts pointing out that the DUP is different to the IRA and Hamas+Hezbollah? Posts like that weren't discussing members.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What was wrong with the posts pointing out that the DUP is different to the IRA and Hamas+Hezbollah? Posts like that weren't discussing members.

Nothing but that post didn't make sense anymore after I deleted the post you were responding to, it was a continuity issue

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I reported this but seeing as it's fit to remain I'll respond..

We HAVE terrorist sympathisers in power do your research on the DUP and educate yourself.

What a ridiculous question, offensive and accusatory NO! of course I don't like the country being blown up, do you like people dying in the streets that's a fair response and much more likely under the current govt.

I won't be posting in this thread again, I'm borderline on the whole forum to be fair due to the right wing trolling that has reached endemic proportions.

I feel due to the front pages of the FT we are being prepped for a Labour govt and I welcome that for the good of society, nothing least of all these rancid baiting responses will change that.

So why would you want Corbyn, the terrorist sympathiser, to become PM? You haven't the excuse of lack of education, there is plenty telling of his sympathies with the likes of IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.

And what about his friends, Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA and the other main party in N.Ireland. Corbyn is and has been since the 70's great friends with its former leader, Gerry Adams, IRA man. Sinn Fein still have convicted murderers in their party. Unpalatable as the DUP are, they are not the political wing of any terrorist group, nor have they any murderers among the party.

If the Adam's/Corbyn scenario was flipped and Arlene Foster had been leader of the UVF and May was a long time friend of hers, you'd be quite rightly furious.

Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....

[Twosugars]

Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

So back on topic - IF there was another GE, how would you vote?

Labour by default. When it comes to the NHS, preservation of rights and support for the more vunerable members of society, they have the best policies and those are the points I care most about.

We've had years of Tory leadership and it's been woeful and we had two tory PMs that just so happened to wear red before then so I'm not interested in seeing them in power. Theresa's government is weak and I don't want someone that opposes homosexuality like Rees-Moggs anywhere near power and he's pretty much in position to succeed her.

Lib Dems would have been an option but Nick Clegg ruined it all for me. and I have no faith in them anymore. I disagree with the opposition to Brexit, people made that mistake of voting for it and then chose to vote for the worst possible party to lead it so they deserve to live with the consequences of their decisions. While I agree with some of their other policies, I don't like their choices in leadership.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

So why would you want Corbyn, the terrorist sympathiser, to become PM? You haven't the excuse of lack of education, there is plenty telling of his sympathies with the likes of IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.

Based on what evidence exactly? Come on, lets have it because you keep making these accusations but so far you've been able to come up diddly-squat. Your use of ignorant smears destroys any credibility you think you may have.

Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....[/QUOTE]

If you say it enough times it still doesn't make it true. You keep throwing your weight around with these fantasy accusations without being able to give any credible examples or cites so instead you rely on a small right leaning audience who likely hope its true... well done!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

So why would you want Corbyn, the terrorist sympathiser, to become PM? You haven't the excuse of lack of education, there is plenty telling of his sympathies with the likes of IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.

And what about his friends, Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA and the other main party in N.Ireland. Corbyn is and has been since the 70's great friends with its former leader, Gerry Adams, IRA man. Sinn Fein still have convicted murderers in their party. Unpalatable as the DUP are, they are not the political wing of any terrorist group, nor have they any murderers among the party.

If the Adam's/Corbyn scenario was flipped and Arlene Foster had been leader of the UVF and May was a long time friend of hers, you'd be quite rightly furious.

Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....

The red berets were very much a faction, as I have said there is no balance whatsoever in that debate and all the ills of decades of troubles cannot fall squarely on the shoulders of one man it's ridiculous.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.

Saying corbyns terrorist connections dont have a bearing on his chances to become pm is a ridiculous statement, its probably a high percentage of voters single reason for not voting for him.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.

Kizzy rails against the dup as terrorist sympathisers but wants a terrorist sympathiser who is great friends with a terrorist as an actual PM.
When you wave a hypocritical red flag like that, expect a response or else think about what you are posting.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Kizzy rails against the dup as terrorist sympathisers but wants a terrorist sympathiser who is great friends with a terrorist as an actual PM.
When you wave a hypocritical red flag like that, expect a response or else think about what you are posting.

Ah so you acknowledge the DUP as terrorist sympathisers... does that make you a hypocrite?
I would say so, that is the point I have been making for a while the 'glossing over' of the affiliations of the DUP and by default the English govt.

Remember when you point the finger there's four pointing back at you.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Based on what evidence exactly? Come on, lets have it because you keep making these accusations but so far you've been able to come up diddly-squat. Your use of ignorant smears destroys any credibility you think you may have.

Yet you just ignore Corbyn's terrorist connections and are desperate for him to be the next PM. A great example of blatant hypocrisy....

If you say it enough times it still doesn't make it true. You keep throwing your weight around with these fantasy accusations without being able to give any credible examples or cites so instead you rely on a small right leaning audience who likely hope its true... well done![/QUOTE]

It's not on me if you don't do your research. I've posted plenty of links which are not my words. Every time I post links which clearly show his sympathies there is a deafening silence from the usual people.
It's all out there in the great world web but if you don't read them or refuse to believe every single word and every single person, no matter how legitimate they are, that's your problem.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah so you acknowledge the DUP as terrorist sympathisers... does that make you a hypocrite?
I would say so, that is the point I have been making for a while the 'glossing over' of the affiliations of the DUP and by default the English govt.

Remember when you point the finger there's four pointing back at you.

How am I being hypocritical?
I not gagging for a DUP member to become the next PM, am I? I can't even stand their policies so it isn't comparable at all. Neither do I care for May as a PM.
But you are gagging for your St. Jeremy.
They are not terrorist sympathisers either in the same sense that Sinn Fein were - it's more that the likes of the UDA supported them.

Your diversion tactics don't work, all you are doing is avoiding admitting to your own hypocrisy.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The red berets were very much a faction, as I have said there is no balance whatsoever in that debate and all the ills of decades of troubles cannot fall squarely on the shoulders of one man it's ridiculous.

Nobody is saying it did. But that one man is the one who wants to be PM, so who he keeps company with and supports is important.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Labour by default. When it comes to the NHS, preservation of rights and support for the more vunerable members of society, they have the best policies and those are the points I care most about.

We've had years of Tory leadership and it's been woeful and we had two tory PMs that just so happened to wear red before then so I'm not interested in seeing them in power. Theresa's government is weak and I don't want someone that opposes homosexuality like Rees-Moggs anywhere near power and he's pretty much in position to succeed her.

Lib Dems would have been an option but Nick Clegg ruined it all for me. and I have no faith in them anymore. I disagree with the opposition to try to turn back Brexit, people made that mistake of voting for it and then chose to vote for the worst possible party to lead it so they deserve to live with the consequences of their decisions. While I agree with some of their other policies, I don't like their choices in leadership.

I can't vote for any of the parties as I'm in N.Ireland, but of course whichever party is in impacts on my country. However, I can say that no matter which party was in power has never made one bit of difference personally to my life or to the lives of anyone I know here either.
So, I tend to pay more heed to the leader of a party and whether I think they are genuine, solid and decent (as much as any politician can be!) and present themselves well as our representatives to the rest of the world.

I agree with your points about the NHS and the most vulnerable of society - that should be any governments priority, first and foremost.
I think a Labour gov. would sail through another election to victory if they had a really vital, and yes, younger passionate leader who didn't lean far left.
I don't think Corbyn will succeed, he's too divisive, opportunistic, and doesn't respect his core voters in his bid for power. He seems to be Momentum's puppet and many people I talk to are really put off by that.
Time will tell!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Stop taking it out on Kizzy, "terrorist connections" have no bearing on Corbyn's electoral chances, it's flogging a dead horse. You made your point repeatedly anyway.
NI has moved on and people very much care for the peace process.

It would be quite worrying if people had no concerns about his terrorist connections and would speak volumes about the kind of people who would not even give that any consideration. Not something for Labour to be proud of.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

Nobody is saying it did. But that one man is the one who wants to be PM, so who he keeps company with and supports is important.

Too right it is. If you run for PM the type of people you support is crucial and anyone claiming differently has their heads in the clouds.