[smudgie]

No.
Concentrate on good education and building confidence in our young.

[Vicky.]

No I do not think national service should be brought back. Theres no real reason for it these days and honestly, those who suggest it seem to see it as bascally, some sort of punishment for being young more than actual service/helping the country/whatever.

I have yet to see someone it would affect suggest it, it is always people who are older who seem to have..bitterness?..towards younger people for whatever reason.

I am probably past the age now where I would be drafted, and as a female and someone with a disablity I wouldn't be involved anyway I wouldn't think, but honestly, I think its an awful idea and seems to be borne out of dislike of the younger generation rather than owt else

(Edit. Adding in, it being criminals and such being drafted, wouldn't really work as they would just..well not do it right. Same for it being drug addicts as suggested in here too. Again, seems to be seen as punishment for being undesibrable in some way, more than anything. Though its slightly better to see it being 'criminals should do it' than more..'young people these days do nowt, send em out to die' type comments that it tends to be on FB and such)

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No I do not think national service should be brought back. Theres no real reason for it these days and honestly, those who suggest it seem to see it as bascally, some sort of punishment for being young more than actual service/helping the country/whatever.

I have yet to see someone it would affect suggest it, it is always people who are older who seem to have..bitterness?..towards younger people for whatever reason.

I am probably past the age now where I would be drafted, and as a female and someone with a disablity I wouldn't be involved anyway I wouldn't think, but honestly, I think its an awful idea and seems to be borne out of dislike of the younger generation rather than owt else

(Edit. Adding in, it being criminals and such being drafted, wouldn't really work as they would just..well not do it right. Same for it being drug addicts as suggested in here too. Again, seems to be seen as punishment for being undesibrable in some way, more than anything. Though its slightly better to see it being 'criminals should do it' than more..'young people these days do nowt, send em out to die' type comments that it tends to be on FB and such)

Bit too far there Vicky !!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Bit too far there Vicky !!

How? Thats genuinely how I see it. The comments on any FB video/story/post about this..always chock full of older people basically saying young people should be punished for not much more than being young. It only seems to be people who it wouldn't affect who are FOR it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

How? Thats genuinely how I see it. The comments on any FB video/story/post about this..always chock full of older people basically saying young people should be punished for not much more than being young. It only seems to be people who it wouldn't affect who are FOR it.

Utter rubbish

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Utter rubbish

You think its not older people who advocate for this? You have seen someone who would be forced into it..saying it should happen? If so, I haven't so only going on my experience..

Apologies if you were offended by that part. But really, if you aren't one of those bitter towards the young for being young, then I wasn't referring to you. Its kind of a 'not all men' response really

[Vicky.]

Was going to edit out all the swearing as, that post looks even more ragey than usual. But nah, anger is what should come out when talking about how ex veterans (and disabled people in general really) are treat by the system tbh. Rather than trying to put even more people in a bad situation, I think its best to try and help the current ones..out of it.

[bots]

National service comes from an era where young men were brainwashed into believing that they were subservient to the master in charge. What possible reason could anyone want to return to that class system?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

National service comes from an era where young men were brainwashed into believing that they were subservient to the master in charge. What possible reason could anyone want to return to that class system?

Because young people are clearly ruining the country, might as well teach them a lesson by sending them to their death, that’ll teach ‘em!

[Vicky.]

Mind, I guess that reply to what I wrote kind of..clarifies the 'are you one of those bitter about the young being young?' part.

[Liam-]

All young people should be punished for being young, because some young people don’t want to work, got to love a rational idea

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

All young people should be punished for being young, because some young people don’t want to work, got to love a rational idea

No one has said that though,people are just putting thier own spin on things.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one has said that though,people are just putting thier own spin on things.

Chuff literally just did though

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Chuff literally just did though

Its the young who need sorting out to put them on the path to be better people and less selfish

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the young who need sorting out to put them on the path to be better people and less selfish

And there we have it, the young need to die because the old don’t like them

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the young who need sorting out to put them on the path to be better people and less selfish

There’s some of the older generation that need this too

[Oliver_W]

Education isn't for everyone. Something should be in place for 16-18 year olds who need some purpose in their lives. But instead of National Service in the military, maybe something like Rory Stewart suggested, working on community projects etc.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Education isn't for everyone. Something should be in place for 16-18 year olds who need some purpose in their lives. But instead of National Service in the military, maybe something like Rory Stewart suggested, working on community projects etc.

It already is. Not going to further education isn’t an option now. It’s college, sixth form or apprenticeship for 2 years regardless.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

It already is. Not going to further education isn’t an option now. It’s college, sixth form or apprenticeship for 2 years regardless.

Did you know - college, sixth form, and apprenticeships have educational aspects to them?

These don't suit everyone, and despite doing a stirling course in fine art, some people still find it difficult to get a start in adult life.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Did you know - college, sixth form, and apprenticeships have educational aspects to them?

These don't suit everyone, and despite doing a stirling course in fine art, some people still find it difficult to get a start in adult life.

Sorry, I misread your comment. I thought you were saying that there was nothing in place at all for 16-18 year olds.

But tbh, I think people would find it harder getting a start in adult life at 16 with just GCSE’s, than at 18+ with A Levels and Degrees. Everywhere you look are desperate for people with further education - they’re not bothered what in but having those higher qualifications shows them you have what it takes to work in adult environments.

And besides - there’s lots of different options. I don’t do well with exams or studying, so sixth form wasn’t for me and I picked a vocational course at college where there’s 40% theory work and 60% practical. Now I’m looking at my next steps, I decided against uni because I don’t like that environment but I’m looking between an apprenticeship and a HND - both more relaxed environment.

So I find it hard to believe this system is forcing people to do something when there’s so many different options.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

It already is. Not going to further education isn’t an option now. It’s college, sixth form or apprenticeship for 2 years regardless.

Stepson says hes not allowed to do the appreticeship that he wants, as been told he has to do 'normal' education instead. I wonder if part of the problem is that the apprenticeship he wants to do..has a half decent wage. Its something like 6 quid an hour, which would be classed as too good for a 16 year old..which again is utterly crap. Saying that they have to work for pennies, when proper wages are available.

Meanwhile, ****ing subway refuse to pay their staff properly and instead all their positions are 'apprenticeships' so they can get away with paying next to nothing. Apprenticeship in sandwich making man..give me strength..

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Education isn't for everyone. Something should be in place for 16-18 year olds who need some purpose in their lives. But instead of National Service in the military, maybe something like Rory Stewart suggested, working on community projects etc.

I am fairly sure that 16-18 year olds have no choice but to be in education these days? Thats what stepson says anyway as he was planning on getting an appreticeship after school but apparently he hasto pick between college and sixth form as they can't leave at 16 now.

I left at 16 and went straight into work. Only got paid 2.50 an hour mind but was totally loaded compared to friends who chose to stay in education, who were living on 30 quid a week (and only if their parents were not well off..if your parents had cash you didn't get the 30 a week).

Because of my experience, I don't think I agree with them having to stay in education til 18, that would have depressed me and it turned out that working straight from school was by far the best thing for me, that kids today don't have that option seems a bit unfair. Mind, I guess the jobs aren't really there for them to do straight from school these days..back then, you could literally walk out of a job into the next one. So again ,much more choice and employers couldn't get away with treating you like **** as you could just walk right out...as I did once. Walked out of a job at around 6pm, and had another by 7 and started that night

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am fairly sure that 16-18 year olds have no choice but to be in education these days? Thats what stepson says anyway as he was planning on getting an appreticeship after school but apparently he hasto pick between college and sixth form as they can't leave at 16 now.

I left at 16 and went straight into work. Only got paid 2.50 an hour mind but was totally loaded compared to friends who chose to stay in education, who were living on 30 quid a week (and only if their parents were not well off..if your parents had cash you didn't get the 30 a week).

Because of my experience, I don't think I agree with them having to stay in education til 18, that would have depressed me and it turned out that working straight from school was by far the best thing for me, that kids today don't have that option seems a bit unfair. Mind, I guess the jobs aren't really there for them to do straight from school these days..back then, you could literally walk out of a job into the next one. So again ,much more choice and employers couldn't get away with treating you like **** as you could just walk right out...as I did once. Walked out of a job at around 6pm, and had another by 7 and started that night

That’s odd, when I left school it was between college, sixth form and apprenticeship because the latter did count as education. Unless they changed it since?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

That’s odd, when I left school it was between college, sixth form and apprenticeship because the latter did count as education. Unless they changed it since?

My grandson has been told if he gets an apprenticeship he can leave at 16

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Education isn't for everyone. Something should be in place for 16-18 year olds who need some purpose in their lives. But instead of National Service in the military, maybe something like Rory Stewart suggested, working on community projects etc.

In my eyes, what Rory has put on the table is just yet another way for businesses getting out of having to fork out another wage, why do that when they can just get a youngster in to do it for free?