[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one has said that though,people are just putting thier own spin on things.

Chuff literally just did though

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Chuff literally just did though

Its the young who need sorting out to put them on the path to be better people and less selfish

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the young who need sorting out to put them on the path to be better people and less selfish

And there we have it, the young need to die because the old don’t like them

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And there we have it, the young need to die because the old don’t like them

Oh C'mon where does it say there the young have to die ? lets be sensible here, and i am sure lots of older people love youngsters, infact some of us have some, I think that the 'young' description is just because NS was aimed at the young, but no where did anyone say youngsters should die,that's just silly.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh C'mon where does it say there the young have to die ? lets be sensible here, and i am sure lots of older people love youngsters, infact some of us have some, I think that the 'young' description is just because NS was aimed at the young, but no where did anyone say youngsters should die,that's just silly.

My Mam used to say "They go in a boy and come out a man " This can only do good IMO

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

My Mam used to say "They go in a boy and come out a man " This can only do good IMO

And you consider a “man” to be what exactly? Someone who’s prepared to put themselves in front of a fired gun?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Rob!

And you consider a “man” to be what exactly? Someone who’s prepared to put themselves in front of a fired gun?

Stoic, emotionally shut off, traumatised, unquestioning adherence to authority... one supposes.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

My Mam used to say "They go in a boy and come out a man " This can only do good IMO

The older generations used to lock mentally ill and mentally disabled people in asylums and throw away the key, they didn't know their elbow from their arse when it came to knowing the effects forcing people into service could do to them.

Before anyone demands that they bring back national service, they should campaign to make sure our veterans are properly taken care of first. Too many veterans slip through the cracks into homelessness and are wrecked by PTSD and they don't get the help they need and National Service will only add to that. It's just a pointless exercise in spite by the older generations and nothing more.

As I said before, they'd be better putting all that money towards teaching teenagers how to function in the adult world and handle things like taxes, credit scores and banking and learning their rights and what they are entitled to. That will do more good then a pointless scheme just to make the older generations think they've got one over on the young.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh C'mon where does it say there the young have to die ? lets be sensible here, and i am sure lots of older people love youngsters, infact some of us have some, I think that the 'young' description is just because NS was aimed at the young, but no where did anyone say youngsters should die,that's just silly.

Force someone into war, there’s a very high chance that they’ll die, therefore young people would be forced into a situation where they’re very likely to die, that’s it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Force someone into war, there’s a very high chance that they’ll die, therefore young people would be forced into a situation where they’re very likely to die, that’s it

But, the bootcamp kinda thing I was talking about was not about sending anyone to war, I think thugs and criminal offenders would benefit from learning some manners and respect and how to behave and maybe learn a trade and work hard would be more beneficial that letting them roam feral or putting them in prison

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But, the bootcamp kinda thing I was talking about was not about sending anyone to war, I think thugs and criminal offenders would benefit from learning some manners and respect and how to behave and maybe learn a trade and work hard would be more beneficial that letting them roam feral or putting them in prison

That works in theory. However realistically, thugs and criminals are not really going to learn anything, regardless of how many bootcamp type things you put them through.

Also, I have no issue at all with people thinkng of ways to sort out criminals and that. Its when its just applied to 'the young' in general and its made out that 'the young' are all lazy ****ers who would benefit from being put on the frontline or something because some of them are lazy (just like older people..oddly enough. Lazy people will always exist in all sections of society) that it kind of gets my back up.

I mean, am not even part of 'the young' now, but I still feel defensive when older people just demonize them constantly. Especially given how much bloody harder it is for younger people these days compared to like..30-40 years back when those complaining about the young were young themselves. Back when you could buy a house with a years wage, and there were numerous jobs available. Its so much worse for the young' these days. Obviously not compared to..like war times, before someone tries being clever. But things today compared to when boomers were starting out...

I mean, as an example theres 'I had bought a house and had a job when I was 20' people..because those today struggle to get on the ladder, this mean they are lazy. No, its damn near impossible to buy a house when young today, unless your family has money, and if your family buys it for you, its not you earning it is it..

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But, the bootcamp kinda thing I was talking about was not about sending anyone to war, I think thugs and criminal offenders would benefit from learning some manners and respect and how to behave and maybe learn a trade and work hard would be more beneficial that letting them roam feral or putting them in prison

But with respect, that wasn’t the topic at hand, the question that was posed about specifically about national service, a scheme that specifically targeted young people just because they were born after a certain time, whether they’ve broke the law or not

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Force someone into war, there’s a very high chance that they’ll die, therefore young people would be forced into a situation where they’re very likely to die, that’s it

I agree 100%

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the young who need sorting out to put them on the path to be better people and less selfish

There’s some of the older generation that need this too

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

There’s some of the older generation that need this too

I agree some older people could do with bringing in line too, the ones who've abused the system all their lives, never worked and believe the country owe them a living