[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Didn't you have major issues (to put it mildly) about wearing masks?

On tibb I did yes...in real life I have always stuck to the guidelines.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I dunno. That didn't last very long and it was mostly (in my opinion as a misanthrope) mostly because of the confusion and scare stories. Everywhere was abandonned because people were scared for themselves, not out of a desire to protect the vulnerable. As soon as people started getting comfortable with the idea that "Covid is out there" they started heading back out.

I disagree for the majority It lasted as long as the advice lasted, as soon as measures were relaxed people felt it was OK to socialise again.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true.. look at the last lock down, I had to work through it and on my way to and from work there was literally nobody anywhere. Leeds was a ghost town.

...I agree completely, Kizzy...my experience also in lockdown times was the very opposite of anything remotely in any way ‘self serving...’....

[bots]

the first lockdown everyone was in shock and happy to do whatever anyone told them. The reasons for someone doing something don't matter if it achieves the required result.

For a million reasons lockdown is past its sell by date, another one wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as the first one.

[Ammi]

...My own experiences and those experiences of others during lockdown times were not of ‘shock’ at all, everyone pretty much knew how their own job roles would enfold to incorporate the needs of others...many schools for instance, had begun their own care plan for essential worker and vulnerable children etc ...long before Boris and his government raised their voices at all in that direction...we knew what was happening, we anticipated ‘the result’ without anyone telling us...as...(...from my experience...)...did every other essential worker ...who never once had thought for themselves in terms of not being where they were in their workplace...no one was ‘happy to’...happy didn’t figure at all but essential very much did figure and essential applied to others and not to self...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the first lockdown everyone was in shock and happy to do whatever anyone told them. The reasons for someone doing something don't matter if it achieves the required result.

For a million reasons lockdown is past its sell by date, another one wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as the first one.

i agree, now we need a new strategy

maybe a requirement to wear masks isn't a bad idea after all, and if we got idiots like ''anti-maskers'' ''viruswaanzin'' we might need to bring it another way than it being a order, but more asking it as a friendly advice to contribute your bit in protecting the elderly and vulnerable

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the first lockdown everyone was in shock and happy to do whatever anyone told them. The reasons for someone doing something don't matter if it achieves the required result.

For a million reasons lockdown is past its sell by date, another one wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as the first one.

Again I disagree if the advice came again to isolate we would, hence the recent recurrence of panic buying, some are preparing to lock down.

I'm usually the one being accused of not having any faith in brits, but I do. I believe it would be adhered to as it was before to help each other but primarily the vulnerable.

I had 7 days off in the whole of July due to colleagues shielding did you hear me complain about it?
No, because I felt it necessary to pull together. And I would do it again.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again I disagree if the advice came again to isolate we would, hence the recent recurrence of panic buying, some are preparing to lock down.

I'm usually the one being accused of not having any faith in brits, but I do. I believe it would be adhered to as it was before to help each other but primarily the vulnerable.

I had 7 days off in the whole of July due to colleagues shielding did you hear me complain about it?
No, because I felt it necessary to pull together. And I would do it again.

restrictions will kind of work up to a point, but a full lockdown would not be followed. People just won't do it ... businesses will be screaming, the government can't afford another furlough ... it will not happen

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...My own experiences and those experiences of others during lockdown times were not of ‘shock’ at all, everyone pretty much knew how their own job roles would enfold to incorporate the needs of others...many schools for instance, had begun their own care plan for essential worker and vulnerable children etc ...long before Boris and his government raised their voices at all in that direction...we knew what was happening, we anticipated ‘the result’ without anyone telling us...as...(...from my experience...)...did every other essential worker ...who never once had thought for themselves in terms of not being where they were in their workplace...no one was ‘happy to’...happy didn’t figure at all but essential very much did figure and essential applied to others and not to self...

I'm a bit shocked at the schools gambling with our children's lives before the government and its top scientific advisers gave them the ok.

How were they so sure it would be ok during something that they had no idea what thier actions could cause.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

restrictions will kind of work up to a point, but a full lockdown would not be followed. People just won't do it ... businesses will be screaming, the government can't afford another furlough ... it will not happen

They will do it if it is required, business will just have to adapt . We don't have a choice... It has to happen, this is not going away.

The govt are looking at the German model to replace furlough I read, hopefully that will be successful.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm a bit shocked at the schools gambling with our children's lives before the government and its top scientific advisers gave them the ok.

How were they so sure it would be ok during something that they had no idea what thier actions could cause.

Kids have to go to school Parmy ... it IS a tough thing to get your head around as a parent, but then, all of it is weighing up benefits vs risks isn't it. I let my 8 year old play out on her bike - she'd be safer in the house where there's no risk of being hit by a car. I let my 11 year old meet her friends on the other side of town - she'd be safer in her room watching Netflix. But social contact is essential as well.

Kids went to school in the 40's when there was a risk of a bomb being dropped on their heads... kids went to school in the US during the cold war when they were being taught how to "duck and cover" incase of nuclear war... kids have gone to school throughout all sorts of things throughout history. The world continues to turn. It won't if we start saying "Uh oh everything isn't perfect, better halt education".

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They will do it if it is required, business will just have to adapt . We don't have a choice... It has to happen, this is not going away.

The govt are looking at the German model to replace furlough I read, hopefully that will be successful.

yes, the idea being that employers pay for the time someone works and the government make up the rest if they only work 2 days a week or something .... rather than being if you are furloughed you can't work at anything ... i think it's a good solution ... but thats for a non lockdown society

and you say it like its very simple if business closes ... its not ... and it will not happen again

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, the idea being that employers pay for the time someone works and the government make up the rest if they only work 2 days a week or something .... rather than being if you are furloughed you can't work at anything ... i think it's a good solution ... but thats for a non lockdown society

and you say it like its very simple if business closes ... its not ... and it will not happen again

I didn't say it was simple... I said if required, as in inevitable. I'd bet my car we lock down again before Christmas. ..What do you mean my cars not worth anything?!

[Nicky91]

yes good to look at Germany's approach, they have been doing quite well in coronacrisis so far

https://www.thelocal.de/20200923/cov...ts-this-autumn

also here about increasing outdoor seating at restaurants this autumn from them

[user104658]

I think BOTS is right - they can't realistically do another lockdown without furlough, and they simply cannot afford another round of furlough. It won't happen. One of these rumoured "circuit breaker" lockdowns of two weeks? Maybe. That's not really the same thing as Spring though.

Makes little difference to me personally of course, both me and my wife will still be working as normal just like first time round. If they do a 2 week lockdown it'll be when the kids are off anyway (October half term).

Also it wouldn't be QUITE like the first one regardless. NHS services will not close. I'd be very surprised if drive-thru restaurants closed (they only did last time because they weren't set up properly, it was never required).

I don't see high street retail closing either, though it's possible.

Leisure stuff across the board? Probably.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't say it was simple... I said if required, as in inevitable. I'd bet my car we lock down again before Christmas. ..What do you mean my cars not worth anything?!

we probably aren't disagreeing much ... there will be further restrictions, i'm in no doubt about that, but it won't go to the close everything down phase we were at before

[Ammi]

...very neat swerve with Kizzy’s car question, bots...smart move, I think...

[Ammi]

...if you’d made a different move...?..my money would have been on Kizzy...just saying...

[Cherie]

There will be no lockdown on the scale of what we had in March, it hasn't happened in any other European country and it won't happen here, we locked down in March to get the house in order, it's in semi order but that will have to do I am afraid

[The Slim Reaper]

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Boris is obviously an avid tibb reader and took note of Nicky's suggestion

[Josy]

Everyone dissing bojo (the labour leader for example) yet I doubt very much any of them would have dealt with this situation any differently, they go on the expert advice they are given apparently

[Josy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People are just pouring out their frustrations and it's perfectly understandable. Plenty people can't stand Nicola either

Yes I agree with this

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Josy

Everyone dissing bojo (the labour leader for example) yet I doubt very much any of them would have dealt with this situation any differently, they go on the expert advice they are given apparently

Yes, so many giving there take on it but no answers.

[joeysteele]

I will be dissing Johnson for as long as he fails to really lead.
He is supposed to be LEADING his Country and this Country and it's citizens justly, compassionately and truthfully.
He isn't.

I will not again list ALL the endless list of deceit he's showered all through it or his Ministers.
It's clearly a waste of time to those who'd support him if he created an earthquake.

As for no answers.
Plenty have been given.
Better testing and never to have stopped the testing in the first place as he did in March.

Protection equipment, make sure we had more than needed in January/ February when we saw what was going to hit here after Italy and Spain etc:

It seems it's Johnson who has no answers.
To the procrastination that's lost many elderly loved ones lives in care homes and hospital staff too.

Choose to ignore that if people must, however to those who've lost loved ones just a bit respect for life and those lives lost would just be simply decent.

As for Starmer criticising him.
He's supportive but knows the above is and are things that could have saved lives.

Plus does anyone really believe if Starmer was handling this crisis this way in the calamitous way Johnson has.
That Johnson wouldn't be dissing him.
Of course he would.

So would I be too.
Any leader deceiving the country with such serious matters on this pandemic, such as the lies on protection equipment.
The farcical mess of testing.
The sacrificing of the elderly loved one in care homes.
Only warrants the fury and contempt I feel for him and his Ministers.

I'll say it freely, I'll be dissing Johnson as long as I have to, particularly off this forum too,because I hold him and his Ministers in some part responsible for the deaths way too soon of my own Aunts and friends.
By his failure to prepare this country for this pandemic.
Not getting the right testing in place.

For not ensuring staff and care home elderly were protected with enough protection equipment.

The man is a disgrace.
Those deaths of loved ones due to lack of testing and protection equipment, a national scandal.
Which one day it will be when things finally do catch up with this dangerous deceiver who is PM at present.