[arista]

The Next Millwall Match
will also have the Players on their Knee.


Confirmed: GMBHD itv.



BLM UK are Troublemakers
they have nothing positive to give the UK

[arista]

[BLM has no bearing on this whatsoever...to boo a gesture
that represents anti racism]

Please Note Ammi
I am talking about BLM Political group.


Black Lives Matter has increased racial tension, 55% say in UK poll
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...say-in-uk-poll


[The secretive British branch of Black Lives Matter
lost me before some of its supporters
started attacking statues,
including the iconic figure of
Churchill in Parliament Square,
and attempting to burn the Union flag on the Cenotoph.
Even before its followers proclaimed
on the Web that the movement’s true aim was,
among other, things to “dismantle capitalism”
and “abolish the police”.
It was the very title Black Lives Matter that put me off.]


https://www.thearticle.com/my-proble...k-lives-matter

[Ammi]

...please note, Arista...taking the knee, which was being booed by some Millwall fans, has no attachment to the BLM movement at all...it was an expression of support which was established by Kick it Out, to kick racism out of sport...you’re persistently and determinedly diverting away from the anti-racist support that was being shown and that was being booed as something negative...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...please note, Arista...taking the knee, which was being booed by some Millwall fans, has no attachment to the BLM movement at all...it was an expression of support which was established by Kick it Out, to kick racism out of sport...you’re persistently and determinedly diverting away from the anti-racist support that was being shown and that was being booed as something negative...

Its Owned
by BLM USA Political Group.
And BLM UK Political Group

So any that take a Knee
are viewed by millions
as being POLITICAL.

That is now a Fact

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Its Owned
by BLM USA Political Group.
And BLM UK Political Group

So any that take a Knee
are viewed by millions
as being POLITICAL.

That is now a Fact

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

[Ammi]

...just continuing with this as you are, completely avoids looking at a racism which obviously still exists in sport and seems content to avoid that it does...and this was an opportunity to discuss it...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

You are wrong
BLM Political UK are not wanted

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

I disagree Ammi, it has been incorrectly semantically attached to BLM in the general public consciousness and that is what it is; pointing out that the link is incorrect changes nothing. They are linked, because they are linked... Perception is all that matters there. So, Arista is right to point out that people having a problem with the knee-taking symbolism is linked to their problems with BLM in general.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

You are right all through again Ammi.

I find it incredible there's any defence of those who booed, or any attempt to dress up their ignorant reaction to the players of BOTH teams.
Indeed wider, all teams, as across the leagues, this is done.

To publicly boo and be disrespectful the way these individuals CHOSE to.
Shows disrespect to their team and club.
They should be identified and not permitted entry again.

It wasn't just showing disrespect to the Millwall team that they brought about, it was to ALL the players of all teams who make this gesture every week.
To show their hope to help highlight and remove racism from football.

To boo that, well some may try to dress it up and call it for other reasons.
However it's more than likely a little more sinister than that I'm afraid.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

No! Arista is not in the wrong, you are!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...please note, Arista...taking the knee, which was being booed by some Millwall fans, has no attachment to the BLM movement at all...it was an expression of support which was established by Kick it Out, to kick racism out of sport...you’re persistently and determinedly diverting away from the anti-racist support that was being shown and that was being booed as something negative...

Rubbish!

Read the second paragraph of this statement and then tell us again whom they were taking a knee for.

[user104658]

I really don't think it's as simple as them all being racists to be honest, I think it has more to do with them feeling "pushed into politics" no matter how hard they try to run away from it. No of course the reality is that Jo one can run from politics, we're all swimming in a big ol' soup of it ever day, and many of us embrace that for the purposes of rousing debate and have done for many years... But your average pie-munching footie fan? He's been living (he believes) a peaceful life free from having to think about all this politics stuff for a large chunk of his life. So, now he's mad that he's being "FORCED" to think about it on a Saturday afternoon "as well as every weekday in the papers".

I get it to an extent, in some cases we're expecting people who have never had to put their brain in anything over 2nd gear to suddenly start contemplating and empathising with a whole bunch of abstract reasoning and critical thought. It probably literally hurts. Many simply won't be able to do it. They don't understand what they're seeing, they don't like how it feels, they know it isn't about them so they worry that it might somehow be against them - that's part of tribalism and that's why they're booing.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I really don't think it's as simple as them all being racists to be honest, I think it has more to do with them feeling "pushed into politics" no matter how hard they try to run away from it. No of course the reality is that Jo one can run from politics, we're all swimming in a big ol' soup of it ever day, and many of us embrace that for the purposes of rousing debate and have done for many years... But your average pie-munching footie fan? He's been living (he believes) a peaceful life free from having to think about all this politics stuff for a large chunk of his life. So, now he's mad that he's being "FORCED" to think about it on a Saturday afternoon "as well as every weekday in the papers".

I get it to an extent, in some cases we're expecting people who have never had to put their brain in anything over 2nd gear to suddenly start contemplating and empathising with a whole bunch of abstract reasoning and critical thought. It probably literally hurts. Many simply won't be able to do it. They don't understand what they're seeing, they don't like how it feels, they know it isn't about them so they worry that it might somehow be against them - that's part of tribalism and that's why they're booing.

And yet they instantly came out with the rehearsed excuses that BLM is an extremist, Marxist organisation, as though the fans were debating the finer points of Das Kapital in between mouthfuls of steak and kidney.

[Ammi]

'You're losing the plot': Piers Morgan blasts Laurence Fox again as he compares taking the knee and Nazi salutes...


Piers Morgan has slammed controversial actor Laurence Fox again, this time over suggesting footballers taking the knee was comparable to tolerating a Nazi salute.

Millwall supporters were criticised over the weekend for booing their own players as they took the knee ahead of playing Derby, an action to show solidarity against racism and in support of Black Lives Matter.

Read more: Laurence Fox scolded by The Pogues over Fairytale of New York edit complaint

The booing fans were condemned by many, including the football club, but Lewis actor Fox tweeted a provocative image of the 1938 England football team lining up for a Nazi salute captioned: “It’s happened before...Appeasement is the incorrect choice.”

Outraged Good Morning Britain host Morgan replied: “You’re comparing taking the knee as a protest against racial injustice to appeasing Nazis? SERIOUSLY??? Get a grip Laurence - you’re losing the plot.”


...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/youre-losi...101418861.html

[Alf]

[Niamh.]

Who would have thought Piers would be the one you'd side with

[Ammi]

...the cynic in me has a theory, though...that Laurence Fox deliberately baits Piers because of the exposure he knows it will give him and keep him talked about etc ....and he’s trying to carve a career in politics...Piers will always respond, so giving him exposure.../...shockingly cynical, I know...as if...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the cynic in me has a theory, though...that Laurence Fox deliberately baits Piers because of the exposure he knows it will give him and keep him talked about etc ....and he’s trying to carve a career in politics...Piers will always respond, so giving him exposure.../...shockingly cynical, I know...as if...

You would wonder what Laurence's game is, he doesn't need to get famous by doing this **** like Katie Hopkins, he already had a half decent acting career which he's probably ruined now

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You would wonder what Laurence's game is, he doesn't need to get famous by doing this **** like Katie Hopkins, he already had a half decent acting career which he's probably ruined now

...that’s the thing though...in his career, you really have to be quite stand-out because it’s such a competitive thing with so many outstanding actors...and I wouldn’t really say that he’s ever been in that outstanding bit...so getting parts must be quite a hard thing...whereas being deliberately controversial, can make you stand out...like it has for Katie...so get you a career that would fulfill what you hoped for...(...for some specific characters, of which, Lawrence has shown himself to be one...)...he’s much more well known now...and to him, maybe it’s like an acting job of playing a villain and his performance gets a completely new exposure on social media and the like.......

[Cherie]

It's Millwall, if any Club were going to do it they were, feel sorry for their 'normal' fans as they all get tarred with the same brush

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...that’s the thing though...in his career, you really have to be quite stand-out because it’s such a competitive thing with so many outstanding actors...and I wouldn’t really say that he’s ever been in that outstanding bit...so getting parts must be quite a hard thing...whereas being deliberately controversial, can make you stand out...like it has for Katie...so get you a career that would fulfill what you hoped for...(...for some specific characters, of which, Lawrence has shown himself to be one...)...he’s much more well known now...and to him, maybe it’s like an acting job of playing a villain and his performance gets a completely new exposure on social media and the like.......

Well yeah but the whole "cancel culture" type mentality I would have thought would make people think twice about hiring a guy with his opinions

[Ramsay]

Good guy Piers, always rated him

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Good guy Piers, always rated him

...hush yer face, you.....I always rated him as well...around a 1.5 to a 2.00...

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hush yer face, you.....I always rated him as well...around a 1.5 to a 2.00...

[arista]

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