[user104658]

Telling the difference between satire and actual bigotry isn't really all that difficult. I wonder, do those who seem not able to do it really not know the difference? Or are they simply pretending when it suits to do so?

Reminds me of the people who think something like South Park "is being racist" when Token is repeatedly shot by the police, or "is being antisemitic" when Cartman marches through the streets dressed as Hitler.

i.e. completely missing the point.

I'm not a huge Jimmy Carr fan - I think (like Frankie Boyle, actually) he leans too heavily into "shock value" in his comedy, but he is essentially a satirist. The likes of Royston Vasey and Jim Davidson are just ... not.

Speaking of his real name... I have to imagine that the reason the creators of The League of Gentlemen (satirists) called their fictional town "Royston Vasey" flies completely over the heads of those people.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Expecting people who think that a show being cancelled at a venue is akin to Nazi germany to know the difference between satire and bigotry is asking too much.

Nazi Germany didn't happen overnight. There was stepping stones.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You are the one downplaying the holocaust by continually referring to thousand who died, when it was millions.

Technically, millions is thousands but a lot of them.

Originally Posted by Alf

Nazi Germany didn't happen overnight. There was stepping stones.

A better comparison is communism. "Even" now China bans media which depicts people questioning authority, ghosts, and recently, effeminate men.

And China is the nation which organisations (and especially Hollywood) feel the need to bend the knee to in order to get money.

There aren't any Nazis any more (not counting the odd nazi cosplayer who gets radicalised online) but there are communists.

[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

Deleted loads of posts in here. Back on topic please

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Telling the difference between satire and actual bigotry isn't really all that difficult. I wonder, do those who seem not able to do it really not know the difference? Or are they simply pretending when it suits to do so?

Reminds me of the people who think something like South Park "is being racist" when Token is repeatedly shot by the police, or "is being antisemitic" when Cartman marches through the streets dressed as Hitler.

i.e. completely missing the point.

I'm not a huge Jimmy Carr fan - I think (like Frankie Boyle, actually) he leans too heavily into "shock value" in his comedy, but he is essentially a satirist. The likes of Royston Vasey and Jim Davidson are just ... not.

Speaking of his real name... I have to imagine that the reason the creators of The League of Gentlemen (satirists) called their fictional town "Royston Vasey" flies completely over the heads of those people.

In Fact Roy Chubby Brown was in series 2. fun fact

Youtube video

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Technically, millions is thousands but a lot of them.



A better comparison is communism. "Even" now China bans media which depicts people questioning authority, ghosts, and recently, effeminate men.

And China is the nation which organisations (and especially Hollywood) feel the need to bend the knee to in order to get money.

There aren't any Nazis any more (not counting the odd nazi cosplayer who gets radicalised online) but there are communists.

You keep pretending that far right is far left. We've had this discussion a few times already, and you continually prove you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You keep pretending that far right is far left. We've had this discussion a few times already, and you continually prove you have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you think China is far right? I'm more really sure what you're responding to.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you think China is far right? I'm more really sure what you're responding to.

No, China is't far right. It's actually a really interesting (in terms of study) mix of capitalism, authoritarianism, and communism.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No, China is't far right. It's actually a really interesting (in terms of study) mix of capitalism, authoritarianism, and communism.

Okay, but I still don't know what your response to my earlier post was talking about? It didn't relate to anything I said.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In Fact Roy Chubby Brown was in series 2. fun fact

Youtube video

I'm aware of that but not sure what your point is.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay, but I still don't know what your response to my earlier post was talking about? It didn't relate to anything I said.

Well for starters, we've had discussions on Marxism before, and you had absolutely no idea what any of it meant, and now you're trying to make out that you know the ins and outs of communism, whilst at the same time saying Nazi's don't exist? It's jumbled up nonsense.

I'm not a communist. but I have an understanding of what the discussion is, at least. If you don't know what ideologies are, then perhaps you shouldn't be making things up.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

whilst at the same time saying Nazi's don't exist?

Where are they?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where are they?

Australia

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where are they?

National Socialism is an ideology, and there are nazi groups all around the world. Are you saying there were no Nazi's in Germany until Hitler was invited into government?

Neo-Nazi groups are even on the rise in Germany.

[Crimson Dynamo]

More than 24,000 people have signed a petition against the cancellation of a Roy "Chubby" Brown show.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Are you saying there were no Nazi's in Germany until Hitler was invited into government?

No, I never said that Nazis never existed.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No, I never said that Nazis never existed.

So did they exist before before Hitler was invited into government? If the answer is yes, then why do you say nazi's don't exist "anymore?"

At the Charlottesville rally, they were shouting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us." Both of those were Nazi slogans - just to give you an example.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

At the Charlottesville rally, they were shouting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us." Both of those were Nazi slogans - just to give you an example.

They'd be an example of the cosplaying idiots I mentioned upthread. I'm sure you know of actual Nazis in or near actual governments?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They'd be an example of the cosplaying idiots I mentioned upthread. I'm sure you know of actual Nazis in or near actual governments?

I'm sure Jews in North Carolina thought they were harmless cosplayers, too.

So you're back to the distinction that a political ideology only exists if it's in government, which is plainly stupid, especially in the US which has the links between the confederacy (the nazi's of their day) and nazism/facism, and there are plenty of republican politicians that still support the confederacy.

Stephen Miller, who worked on Trumps immigration/border policies is a fairly open white nationalist.

You can look at Hungary, where anti-Semitism was used in his campaign for his far right government. We have an encroaching rw authoritarian government over here, banning protests and about to purge the wrong kind of voters from the list. The list goes on.

But regardless, back to the question of, does a political ideology only exist if it's in government?

[Marsh.]

Oh is Oliver still in the mindset of "Oh, if I can't see something from my bedroom window it means it doesn't exist"?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not a fan of his comedy but the venue cancelling because they don't like his jokes... sounds about right these days. As others have mentioned in this thread, Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr are both guilty of the worst, most obnoxious humour. And pop stars followed by very young girls - Selina Gomez for example - with foul language warnings on their albums... and don't get me started on Naked Attraction, Love island, Married at First Sight.

People obviously don't have enough to do these days so they spend their time sticking their beak into other people's business and making decisions for other adults.

Well thanks to this thread I checked out a video on Youtube of one of his jokes, and tbh besides the joke about a 12 year old his other jokes wouldn't be amiss from a Keith Lemon Show.

Tbh I'm not big on censorship anyway, the only time I've been hesitant is with Love Island due to the suicides after being on the Show, but even then I can't actually bring myself to campaign for it to happen, and get a Show banned that millions of other people enjoy.

Ironically the Japanese Anime community is having it currently too where certain groups are trying to get the second season of Demon Slayer censored because of certain content in the Manga coming up in the Anime. Now again I'm consistent about this, if you don't like Demon Slayer, Roy Chubby Brown nor do you like Love Island then don't watch them, it's not hard.

I'm with you that it's typical behaviour nowadays to try and censor things, I honestly was expecting a Jim Davidson or Chuck Lorre types of Comedy where they're clearly being hateful towards certain groups of people.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

More than 24,000 people have signed a petition against the cancellation of a Roy "Chubby" Brown show.

Signed.