[Jake.]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I agree but I think jake is not referring to people like you who actually know what her policies were and what she stood for and dislike her for that but more people who just love a ruck as there is undoubtably this at play too.

This all over. If you're clued up and know you're stuff then fair enough, but the amount of younger morons who will buy it despite not even having a clue is silly

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

..honestly Jack, you really can't equate Margaret Thatcher with Hitler..but on the subject of WW2..that was a nation joined together and united in war and their losses and fears...what's happening now is a nation united in hatred..and people have a right to feel that if they want to and feel very passionately about it and show those feelings...but the people who don't feel the same, because she's dead and don't see the point in this, will feel just as passionately that this whole thing and everything on the internet etc is distasteful....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Zee

As you said, they don't always play the forty songs in the countdown, and considering the length of the song they may well just omit it anyway and spend less than a minute explaining the context of its chart placing for that week. I agree that it's a chart show, it should play the chart, but as this is a politically sensitive issue, they'll be criticised for playing it and they'll be criticised for not playing it, so I think whatever transpires they'll try and give a very balanced view - to simply not play it or to simply play it, either way without an explanation, would be highly inflammatory.

I'm not sure if that's changed though now, but the top 10 is always played in full ever since they started the whole streaming thing, and as this looks likely to chart inside the top 10, there really isn't any reason why it shouldn't be played - if it is outside the top 10 and the rest of the chart still isn't always played, there'll be more leeway. I do agree the context of its charting should be explained though, the link arista posted which suggests that's what they'll be doing seems a fair way to solve this IMO. You reflect the sales and you inform the listeners, that lives up to the BBC's mantra perfectly.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..honestly Jack, you really can't equate Margaret Thatcher with Hitler..but on the subject of WW2..that was a nation joined together and united in war and their losses and fears...what's happening now is a nation united in hatred..and people have a right to feel that if they want to and feel very passionately about it and show those feelings...but the people who don't feel the same, because she's dead and don't see the point in this, will feel just as passionately that this whole thing and everything on the internet etc is distasteful....

I'm not comparing her to Hitler, I need to make that clear, I'm just making the point that if people will discuss him when they weren't around at the time, people can do the same towards Thatcher...that's all I was trying to say.

I absolutely agree with the rest of what you've said though, people are entitled to find this disgusting and people are entitled to feel disgusted at what she did to their lives and their communities, my original point was just simply that this debate should happen outside of the BBC and they should have no input into this whatsoever other than to play the song as that's what the point of the chart show is, explain a bit of the context behind it in a balanced and impartial manner, and move on. It's not up to them to be saying 'well this is disgusting so we aren't playing it'.

[Mystic Mock]

Hitler is a bit more evil than Thatcher though Jack lol.

Although I see your point.

[Brother Leon]

The "They weren't born when she was in power" debate is ridiculous.

[Z]

Yeah I think it's a pretty condescending point to make. If you were alive during her time in office, you're far more likely to have a strong opinion on the matter, and yes, many people who were born after her time in office, or were too young to remember it, will not be very knowledgable about her, but anyone can research her politics and form their own opinion on her...

[Mystic Mock]

Well I wasn't around at her time but by what I've heard about Margaret Thatcher off my parents, and research off the Internet, I personally don't like her views as I thought that she was highly racist, and that she treated the working class like Dogs, plus covering up the Hillsborough disaster is another black mark.

[Jake.]

People were able to discuss their negative opinions of her since 1980 odd, god knows why they still can't without this disgusting campaign

[Brother Leon]

The song should be played anyway. The BBC's job is to play the top 10. Them playing it isn't anymore of an insult or slap in the face than her supporters trying to force Liverpool Supporters to have a silence for her over the weekend.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

The song should be played anyway. The BBC's job is to play the top 10. Them playing it isn't anymore of an insult or slap in the face than her supporters trying to force Liverpool Supporters to have a silence for her over the weekend.

I live in the poxy city and yet here am I...and I don't even like her policies.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Redway

I live in the poxy city and yet here am I...and I don't even like her policies.

I am 99% sure every Liverpool fan and especially the Hillsborough families would rather spit on her grave than have a minute silence for her..Does that mean anything to the "She should be honoured countrywide" brigade? No. The song is disrespectful to her, but if it's charted it's charted and should be played. For all the people who may like like her there are people who don't. Why should they be muted?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

I am 99% sure every Liverpool fan and especially the Hillsborough families would rather spit on her grave than have a minute silence for her..

You shouldn't tar everyone under the same brush in that case...people think differently.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Redway

You shouldn't tar everyone under the same brush in that case...people think differently.

Pretty sure you support Chelsea anyway...you living in Liverpool has nothing to do with how they view her..

[Ammi]

..I sometimes think that the public would be happy if they burned her body on a public funeral pyre in the streets..I thought we'd come a long way from the angry mob and pitchforks...this song should be played because it is number 1 but the whole thing, for me is extremely distasteful...these things only hurt her children, who were very young when she was in power and are blameless of anything, people attribute to her..and her grandchildren, who weren't even born...she herself, will not be effected by this at all...

..this is the last post I will make about Margaret Thatcher's death because I don't see anything positive in a nation joined in hatred....

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I sometimes think that the public would be happy if they burned her body on a public funeral pyre in the streets..I thought we'd come a long way from the angry mob and pitchforks...this song should be played because it is number 1 but the whole thing, for me is extremely distasteful...these things only hurt her children, who were very young when she was in power and are blameless of anything, people attribute to her..and her grandchildren, who weren't even born...she herself, will not be effected by this at all...

..this is the last post I will make about Margaret Thatcher's death because I don't see anything positive in a nation joined in hatred....

thank you, i wish i had a way with words like you

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I sometimes think that the public would be happy if they burned her body on a public funeral pyre in the streets..I thought we'd come a long way from the angry mob and pitchforks...this song should be played because it is number 1 but the whole thing, for me is extremely distasteful...these things only hurt her children, who were very young when she was in power and are blameless of anything, people attribute to her..and her grandchildren, who weren't even born...she herself, will not be effected by this at all...

..this is the last post I will make about Margaret Thatcher's death because I don't see anything positive in a nation joined in hatred....

how exactly are they blameless, they could have carried out her funeral in private, they didn't need to go along with this circus and get all police leave cancelled due to the risk of protest, and injury, they didn't need to spend 10 million on a funeral, most folk are cremated/buried for a few grand, they didn't need to ask Shirley Bassey, Lloyd Webber, Jeremy Clarkson, the Queen, et al to attend the service as I understand it Margaret Thather asked not to be considered to have a state funeral, so I'm pretty sure she didn't want the next rung down, so who exactly is it that wants this charade? and what is the point of it all? pretty sure we wouldn't have this at No.1 if details for her funeral weren't in our face ever news bulletin.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

how exactly are they blameless, they could have carried out her funeral in private, they didn't need to go along with this circus and get all police leave cancelled due to the risk of protest, and injury, they didn't need to spend 10 million on a funeral, most folk are cremated/buried for a few grand, they didn't need to ask Shirley Bassey, Lloyd Webber, Jeremy Clarkson, the Queen, et al to attend the service as I understand it Margaret Thather asked not to be considered to have a state funeral, so I'm pretty sure she didn't want the next rung down, so who exactly is it that wants this charade? and what is the point of it all? pretty sure we wouldn't have this at No.1 if details for her funeral weren't in our face ever news bulletin.

..I have no idea who made the decisions for the funeral..her family..?..the monarchy..?..parliament..?...who knows..I don't, but I won't assume that it was her children/grandchildren..or that they were left with any final decisions..and all the public glee at her death started before any funeral arrangements were announced, so really I don't think that is the reason for the number 1 position for the song.....

...but hey ho, people can chant ding dong merrily on high, the witch has gone as much as they want if it makes them feel better to do so...but it doesn't change anything and has no effect on Margaret Thatcher or the past whatsoever...but whatever floats their boat, I guess...maybe there'll be protests...maybe there'll be riots..maybe people will get hurt..loss of lives..maybe damage to properties/businesses...who knows...maybe it'll all just calm and pass peacefully...so long as the public feel as though they've had their 'pound of flesh'/last say..whatever they feel the need for..I guess it's just a shame the person it's directed at won't be around to appreciate it all....

[Jake.]

Also, all of this destroying town shops and burning things over the last few days by her 'haters', some of whom looked far too young to be around then and no doubt heard things from their parents.

[Jake.]

The reason I think it should be stopped/muted is because it isn't getting anybody anywhere. People who like her can discuss with others why they like her. The exact same for people who hate her. Why should everybody have to fall under this distasteful, silly campaign? As Ammi said, people close to her will be having a hard time mourning, and to hear/see things like this everywhere isn't going to help them in any way. People can say 'it's fine because she was an evil cow', which is a fine opinion, but the keyword there being was. It's not going to affect her, it's going to affect her loved ones.

[Jack_]

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

..well, we do all remember the London riots Jack and that lives were lost and businesses were burned and people lost their livelihoods..let's hope that doesn't happen but a riot isn;t a controlled situation and maybe it won't just be the Government who 'get something that's coming to them'...and any victims will be innocent...these things solve nothing and only make people as bad as the cause they think they're protesting against.....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

I think you have hit on a strong point there Jack.
For instance, my Dad has been a lifelong Conservative and strong supporter of Margaret Thatcher in her time.
However,he is stunned at this funding of her funeral in any way at all by the taxpayer.
He obviously won't riot, (I am trying to picture that actually ), he has said though the whole thing is way over the top and nothing at all should come from taxpayers as to this funeral.
I am sure there will be many that think like him on that too.

[Me. I Am Salman]

omg if riots happen next week, I go past St Pauls Cathedral on my way to college

[Jack_]

If there's any peaceful demonstrations going on I'm sure the police will bring out their old friend kettling and turn it into something much more than that which'll be completely taken out of context in its reporting and made out that the people demonstrating instigated it. But we'll see.

[Apple202]

the whole campaign is completely pathetic and disgusting.. the fact it's #1 on our itunes right now makes me feel ashamed to be british