[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it doesn't have a bearing though in that a separate decision was already
made about that at the time, (and bearing in mind whatever factors had to be..)... which was that Scott was allowed to come back...

...this separate incident which has happened since his return has been given an indefinite ban, and again there are factors to consider which effect the forum/member's feelings... and I understand as does Scott that time was required to consider them but whether it now be decided as a permanent ban or a ban with a time frame, there isn't much going to change that by prolonging it any more than it has been already, which is one of the longest ban times...

I don't agree with indefinite bans (I have already said that) but if they are going to be used admin/mods are at no liberty to disclose to us how long each one will last. The reason somebody is banned is because they have done something wrong, and an indefinite ban (which is an alternative to a permaban) is used for the more serious/bigger offences so again if somebody is bothered by it they should have thought about it before they did it especially considering they have been permabanned before no matter how it is sugar coated.

[Z]

Well it looks like I'm about to go completely against the grain...

If this was (more or less) any other member who had created that website, it would have been their first ever serious misdemeanour related to TiBB, they'd have been given a 3 month ban and they'd never have done something so mind numbingly stupid ever again. I don't agree that it was an off-site matter because the blog was being linked on TiBB, encouraging TiBB members to post on it, about other TiBB members. It was very much an on-site matter. But this was not any other member. This was Scott, who has been banned so many times before (including a previous permanent ban when he was pisshead, and absolutely nobody realised he was a previously banned member until he'd become a regular member as simonsays and it was probably a bit too late to ban him again) - and do you know what? I think Scott's never really taken the forum and its moderators seriously ever since. Every single time he has pushed the limit just that little bit further, he's been banned for a few months at a time and then been allowed back.

Yes, he was not the only one to post on that blog. Yes, it is unfair that everyone else hid behind anonymity and nobody else confessed to posting on it. But do you know why I think it's totally fair that Scott was banned? Because there was absolutely no reason to create that blog. It didn't start out as a blog for pictures of Simon Le Bon smiling at small children. It didn't start out as a blog dedicated solely to what the red peppers team in Ready Steady Cook had made since the show began. It was created to write offensive comments about people that use this forum. Why would we ever allow someone back who thinks so little of this place and the people on it that he wanted people to post hateful comments on it?

Scott is never going to change. He has never changed. It's not because he's an inherently horrible person, it's because his personal circumstances are complicated and while we all can understand that and feel bad for him, and we can laugh at his sense of humour when he's being funny, what nobody is willing to openly say, it seems, is that he's completely unpredictable and cannot be trusted to post on here normally because at any given moment he'll do something completely over the top and be banned for another three months. Why do we keep perpetuating the cycle? He doesn't take it seriously so why are we acting like another mid-range ban is going to sort him out?

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Well it looks like I'm about to go completely against the grain...

If this was (more or less) any other member who had created that website, it would have been their first ever serious misdemeanour related to TiBB, they'd have been given a 3 month ban and they'd never have done something so mind numbingly stupid ever again. I don't agree that it was an off-site matter because the blog was being linked on TiBB, encouraging TiBB members to post on it, about other TiBB members. It was very much an on-site matter. But this was not any other member. This was Scott, who has been banned so many times before (including a previous permanent ban when he was pisshead, and absolutely nobody realised he was a previously banned member until he'd become a regular member as simonsays and it was probably a bit too late to ban him again) - and do you know what? I think Scott's never really taken the forum and its moderators seriously ever since. Every single time he has pushed the limit just that little bit further, he's been banned for a few months at a time and then been allowed back.

Yes, he was not the only one to post on that blog. Yes, it is unfair that everyone else hid behind anonymity and nobody else confessed to posting on it. But do you know why I think it's totally fair that Scott was banned? Because there was absolutely no reason to create that blog. It didn't start out as a blog for pictures of Simon Le Bon smiling at small children. It didn't start out as a blog dedicated solely to what the red peppers team in Ready Steady Cook had made since the show began. It was created to write offensive comments about people that use this forum. Why would we ever allow someone back who thinks so little of this place and the people on it that he wanted people to post hateful comments on it?

Scott is never going to change. He has never changed. It's not because he's an inherently horrible person, it's because his personal circumstances are complicated and while we all can understand that and feel bad for him, and we can laugh at his sense of humour when he's being funny, what nobody is willing to openly say, it seems, is that he's completely unpredictable and cannot be trusted to post on here normally because at any given moment he'll do something completely over the top and be banned for another three months. Why do we keep perpetuating the cycle? He doesn't take it seriously so why are we acting like another mid-range ban is going to sort him out?

I'm curious now. I might do my research and make a blog dedicated to that (I hope nobody else has had that idea)

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Well it looks like I'm about to go completely against the grain...

If this was (more or less) any other member who had created that website, it would have been their first ever serious misdemeanour related to TiBB, they'd have been given a 3 month ban and they'd never have done something so mind numbingly stupid ever again. I don't agree that it was an off-site matter because the blog was being linked on TiBB, encouraging TiBB members to post on it, about other TiBB members. It was very much an on-site matter. But this was not any other member. This was Scott, who has been banned so many times before (including a previous permanent ban when he was pisshead, and absolutely nobody realised he was a previously banned member until he'd become a regular member as simonsays and it was probably a bit too late to ban him again) - and do you know what? I think Scott's never really taken the forum and its moderators seriously ever since. Every single time he has pushed the limit just that little bit further, he's been banned for a few months at a time and then been allowed back.

Yes, he was not the only one to post on that blog. Yes, it is unfair that everyone else hid behind anonymity and nobody else confessed to posting on it. But do you know why I think it's totally fair that Scott was banned? Because there was absolutely no reason to create that blog. It didn't start out as a blog for pictures of Simon Le Bon smiling at small children. It didn't start out as a blog dedicated solely to what the red peppers team in Ready Steady Cook had made since the show began. It was created to write offensive comments about people that use this forum. Why would we ever allow someone back who thinks so little of this place and the people on it that he wanted people to post hateful comments on it?

Scott is never going to change. He has never changed. It's not because he's an inherently horrible person, it's because his personal circumstances are complicated and while we all can understand that and feel bad for him, and we can laugh at his sense of humour when he's being funny, what nobody is willing to openly say, it seems, is that he's completely unpredictable and cannot be trusted to post on here normally because at any given moment he'll do something completely over the top and be banned for another three months. Why do we keep perpetuating the cycle? He doesn't take it seriously so why are we acting like another mid-range ban is going to sort him out?

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Negreindeer

I'm curious now. I might do my research and make a blog dedicated to that (I hope nobody else has had that idea)

I'll follow you

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

This is an open discussion about everybodies opinion on the matter and I don't think it's significantly impacting the forum. People don't have to come in or post in here; if you're not happy with it then fine. Like I've said, it's ultimately James' decision

Yet another ' impact assessment'?
As you mentioned the razzies I'll throw this in, why can nobody accept admins decision once made, if it's discussed at length and a decision made why the constant debate on the forum?
It is impacting on the forum marc as it obviously will, those who were involved in this and know about other unrelated issues will feel conflicted.
I totally agree with sheriff, this was a devisive move following the good feeling created by most loved.
It's unfair, unwarranted and unacceptable to keep using this to maintain bad feeling.
If or when the ban is lifted will be admins decision and not due to forum pressure.

[Jessica.]

I definitely think Scott should be unbanned, it was just a stupid mistake that he made when he was bored, it's unfortunate that it got so out of hand but honestly, he was basically just copying something that happened in a comedy film aimed at teenage girls. I bet he didn't expect the comments to be so hurtful, but I do agree that he shouldn't have allowed them to be posted. I didn't see what was posted there though, so I can't speak about that.

This forum has seriously declined in activity and conversation since Scott was banned, it's truly unfortunate and it would be so lovely to have him back. He's lovely and funny, sometimes he has bad moments like the rest of us and maybe he shouldn't bring them onto the forum but it's a part of him and I don't think he should be slandered for some things that he is not proud of. I think lots of us miss Scott and if he were to return the forum would be buzzing.

Free Scott.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Yes, it's just a big brother forum in the end of the day

[Z]

Originally Posted by Jessus

I definitely think Scott should be unbanned, it was just a stupid mistake that he made when he was bored, it's unfortunate that it got so out of hand but honestly, he was basically just copying something that happened in a comedy film aimed at teenage girls. I bet he didn't expect the comments to be so hurtful, but I do agree that he shouldn't have allowed them to be posted. I didn't see what was posted there though, so I can't speak about that.

This forum has seriously declined in activity and conversation since Scott was banned, it's truly unfortunate and it would be so lovely to have him back. He's lovely and funny, sometimes he has bad moments like the rest of us and maybe he shouldn't bring them onto the forum but it's a part of him and I don't think he should be slandered for some things that he is not proud of. I think lots of us miss Scott and if he were to return the forum would be buzzing.

Free Scott.

He also completely missed the point of that comedy film aimed at teenage girls - that the burn book is bad, upset everyone and got everyone who was involved in it into a lot of trouble. So, you know, life imitating art there - someone with no thought for others doing something mean spirited and being punished accordingly.

How many times has Scott been banned for a stupid mistake he made when he's been bored? Too many to count. I'm sick of it. I liked Scott but I'm just a bit sick of him pulling the same stunts every time he's bored and looking for a cheap thrill. I don't think Scott returning to the forum would make it suddenly a more active place - he's one person. Maybe we could, just, you know, post more as a forum. Create more threads. This place is what we make of it.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Indefinite Bans are definitely a confusing creature and it's failure on our part that they weren't clearly defined when we first put Scott on one. We're working on it though and we've got a pretty decent idea of what an 'IB' entails, we just need James' input.

As for permabanned members I go back and forth on it all the time, there's some permabans that I would undo if given the chance but I definitely think others should remain banned. When we were discussing indefinite bans a few months back we toyed with the idea of putting permabanned members on one but we were ultimately divided on it. I'd be up for giving someone like Stephanie a chance but Setanta? I'm not sure that would be a good idea at all.

I'm still a bit confused on the whole Setanta thing. He was a bit ... involved ... with this whole using the internet business but at the same time it felt like a group of young kids kicking a dog to death then screaming "YOU ALL SAW HIM. HE BIT ME".

He became incredibly popular to bait by the same group of fucking boring thugs for weeks on end. Even if he killed the pope and gave the queen a wedgie in the meantime it's important to note that, I think. Total mob justice.

[smeagol]

I dont know them and dont know anything but no one should get life bans unless they post about joining a 20 something group lol
i think at the end of the year they should go through the ban list and unban everybody as a amnesty with the notion that if they do anything really major then thats it.
its just a forum after all. can easily ban again if naughty hobbitses lol

though i never see the point in banning anyway. its actually impossible to ban someone for good if they know how to get by it.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Eggngog

I'm still a bit confused on the whole Setanta thing. He was a bit ... involved ... with this whole using the internet business but at the same time it felt like a group of young kids kicking a dog to death then screaming "YOU ALL SAW HIM. HE BIT ME".

He became incredibly popular to bait by the same group of fucking boring thugs for weeks on end. Even if he killed the pope and gave the queen a wedgie in the meantime it's important to note that, I think. Total mob justice.

He once made a post addressing every member he dislikes with the deepest and most personal insults he could think of, it was beyond forgiveness imo.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Eggngog

I'm still a bit confused on the whole Setanta thing. He was a bit ... involved ... with this whole using the internet business but at the same time it felt like a group of young kids kicking a dog to death then screaming "YOU ALL SAW HIM. HE BIT ME".

He became incredibly popular to bait by the same group of fucking boring thugs for weeks on end. Even if he killed the pope and gave the queen a wedgie in the meantime it's important to note that, I think. Total mob justice.

I thought it was because he was being completely sexually inappropriate towards underaged female members

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jessus

He once made a post addressing every member he dislikes with the deepest and most personal insults he could think of, it was beyond forgiveness imo.

To be fair I have never seen it.

It sounds brilliant, though.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

I thought it was because he was being completely sexually inappropriate towards underaged female members

To be fair I have never seen it.

It sounds weird, though.

[T*]

Originally Posted by Jessus

I definitely think Scott should be unbanned, it was just a stupid mistake that he made when he was bored, it's unfortunate that it got so out of hand but honestly, he was basically just copying something that happened in a comedy film aimed at teenage girls. I bet he didn't expect the comments to be so hurtful, but I do agree that he shouldn't have allowed them to be posted. I didn't see what was posted there though, so I can't speak about that.

This forum has seriously declined in activity and conversation since Scott was banned, it's truly unfortunate and it would be so lovely to have him back. He's lovely and funny, sometimes he has bad moments like the rest of us and maybe he shouldn't bring them onto the forum but it's a part of him and I don't think he should be slandered for some things that he is not proud of. I think lots of us miss Scott and if he were to return the forum would be buzzing.

Free Scott.

This

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I've never really understood banning people forever (especially when the person is in their teens or barely out of them) , I don't know what went on, but we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them I don't really see the harm in letting him back on the premise that it would never happen again.

I totally agree Cherie, people in life make mistakes... serve their time and learn their lessons and as Scott said in plug last night, he has apologised profusely and regrets his actions. He definitely deserves another chance.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jessus

He once made a post addressing every member he dislikes with the deepest and most personal insults he could think of, it was beyond forgiveness imo.

You weren't so sweet and innocent yourself during Setantagate (nor was I)

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

You weren't so sweet and innocent yourself during Setantagate (nor was I)

Setantagate?

I know I made a lot of bad decisions in the past, I was having a tough time irl back then, but I wont make excuses for myself, I regret how I treated people and I wish I could apologise personally to everyone who I offended but there's just too many to list. I hope that I learned from that, I try not to hold grudges. It's unfair to make this about me when there are so many different factors involved.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jessus

Setantagate?

I know I made a lot of bad decisions in the past, I was having a tough time irl back then, but I wont make excuses for myself, I regret how I treated people and I wish I could apologise personally to everyone who I offended but there's just too many to list. I hope that I learned from that, I try not to hold grudges. It's unfair to make this about me when there are so many different factors involved.

That's fair enough.. I'm not one to hold grudges either, so I like to think we're cool now

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

That's fair enough.. I'm not one to hold grudges either, so I like to think we're cool now

Of course.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I liked seneta (or however you spell his name) he should be unbanned, Wombai too, she was lovely.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

The thing with Scott which a lot of people forget about is that he has already been permabanned from TiBB once and been allowed to return.

I didn't know that,he really should have learnt a lesson then.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

I liked seneta (or however you spell his name) he should be unbanned, Wombai too, she was lovely.

I liked Wombia too,wondered what had happened to her

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

I liked seneta (or however you spell his name) he should be unbanned, Wombai too, she was lovely.

No.