[GypsyGoth]

“My response to the “I am not a feminist” internet phenomenon….

First of all, it’s clear you don’t know what feminism is. But I’m not going to explain it to you. You can google it. To quote an old friend, “I’m not the feminist babysitter.”

But here is what I think you should know.

You’re insulting every woman who was forcibly restrained in a jail cell with a feeding tube down her throat for your right to vote, less than 100 years ago.

You’re degrading every woman who has accessed a rape crisis center, which wouldn’t exist without the feminist movement.

You’re undermining every woman who fought to make marital rape a crime (it was legal until 1993).

You’re spitting on the legacy of every woman who fought for women to be allowed to own property (1848). For the abolition of slavery and the rise of the labor union. For the right to divorce. For women to be allowed to have access to birth control (Comstock laws). For middle and upper class women to be allowed to work outside the home (poor women have always worked outside the home). To make domestic violence a crime in the US (It is very much legal in many parts of the world). To make workplace sexual harassment a crime.

In short, you know not what you speak of. You reap the rewards of these women’s sacrifices every day of your life. When you grin with your cutsey sign about how you’re not a feminist, you ignorantly spit on the sacred struggle of the past 200 years. You bite the hand that has fed you freedom, safety, and a voice.

In short, kiss my ass, you ignorant little jerks.”


This was written by Libby Anne and I think she articulates it better than I could.

[Jay.]

i can see the reasons for and against saying you're a feminist like people who say they are against it saying that just want equality for all, but i'd still say i was a feminist...

just here for everyone to be happy tbh

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

This, they cross over into the Misandrist zone and blame men for everything bad that happens to women. It's like firstly, stop blaming ALL men as we are not all the same, secondly some womem are also to blame for things that happen to other women, where is your hate for them?

But then they're misandrists not feminists? Just because they say they're one thing and act the opposite means that they're not what they said they are

It's literally like me saying I'm not racist... [uses racial slurs] and you saying, ah yeah but he said he's not racist, so he obviously isnt

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

“My response to the “I am not a feminist” internet phenomenon….

First of all, it’s clear you don’t know what feminism is. But I’m not going to explain it to you. You can google it. To quote an old friend, “I’m not the feminist babysitter.”

But here is what I think you should know.

You’re insulting every woman who was forcibly restrained in a jail cell with a feeding tube down her throat for your right to vote, less than 100 years ago.

You’re degrading every woman who has accessed a rape crisis center, which wouldn’t exist without the feminist movement.

You’re undermining every woman who fought to make marital rape a crime (it was legal until 1993).

You’re spitting on the legacy of every woman who fought for women to be allowed to own property (1848). For the abolition of slavery and the rise of the labor union. For the right to divorce. For women to be allowed to have access to birth control (Comstock laws). For middle and upper class women to be allowed to work outside the home (poor women have always worked outside the home). To make domestic violence a crime in the US (It is very much legal in many parts of the world). To make workplace sexual harassment a crime.

In short, you know not what you speak of. You reap the rewards of these women’s sacrifices every day of your life. When you grin with your cutsey sign about how you’re not a feminist, you ignorantly spit on the sacred struggle of the past 200 years. You bite the hand that has fed you freedom, safety, and a voice.

In short, kiss my ass, you ignorant little jerks.”


This was written by Libby Anne and I think she articulates it better than I could.

[Kizzy]

Anyone noticed not many of the 'I'm not a feminist' advocates are over 20?..

WWTD (what would Taylor do?)

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But then they're misandrists not feminists? Just because they say they're one thing and act the opposite means that they're not what they said they are

That's what I mean. They claim to be feminists (and may have started out as such) but then cross over to misandrists (so are no longer feminists).

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Anyone noticed not many of the 'I'm not a feminist' advocates are over 20?..

I clicked the wrong one by the way. Of course I want everyone to be equal, who wouldn't?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I clicked the wrong one by the way. Of course I want everyone to be equal, who wouldn't?

Sorry Ben I didn't mean on here, I mean holding the signs but I agree who really wouldn't want equal ops?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Anyone noticed not many of the 'I'm not a feminist' advocates are over 20?..

WWTD (what would Taylor do?)

Quite funny I think (nearly) all are men too

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Youtube video

Pretty much agree with her 100%

Speaks some truth

[Kizzy]

Hmm... are women raping these men? No, they aren't, therefore it's not relevant in the same context for me.
Of course prison reform is needed but is it a feminist issue?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

“My response to the “I am not a feminist” internet phenomenon….

First of all, it’s clear you don’t know what feminism is. But I’m not going to explain it to you. You can google it. To quote an old friend, “I’m not the feminist babysitter.”

But here is what I think you should know.

You’re insulting every woman who was forcibly restrained in a jail cell with a feeding tube down her throat for your right to vote, less than 100 years ago.

You’re degrading every woman who has accessed a rape crisis center, which wouldn’t exist without the feminist movement.

You’re undermining every woman who fought to make marital rape a crime (it was legal until 1993).

You’re spitting on the legacy of every woman who fought for women to be allowed to own property (1848). For the abolition of slavery and the rise of the labor union. For the right to divorce. For women to be allowed to have access to birth control (Comstock laws). For middle and upper class women to be allowed to work outside the home (poor women have always worked outside the home). To make domestic violence a crime in the US (It is very much legal in many parts of the world). To make workplace sexual harassment a crime.

In short, you know not what you speak of. You reap the rewards of these women’s sacrifices every day of your life. When you grin with your cutsey sign about how you’re not a feminist, you ignorantly spit on the sacred struggle of the past 200 years. You bite the hand that has fed you freedom, safety, and a voice.

In short, kiss my ass, you ignorant little jerks.”


This was written by Libby Anne and I think she articulates it better than I could.

[Tom4784]

If you believe in equality between the sexes then you are a feminist, end of discussion on that point.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you believe in equality between the sexes then you are a feminist, end of discussion on that point.

Why do people keep stating this like it's a fact when it's simply... Err... Not? Did someone famous say it or something? Was it spammed across Facebook attributed to some random celebface?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why do people keep stating this like it's a fact when it's simply... Err... Not? Did someone famous say it or something? Was it spammed across Facebook attributed to some random celebface?

because thats the definition of it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

because thats the definition of it?

Exactly, unfortunately it's been turned into a dirty word meaning manhaters lately.

[Kizzy]

If you want equality for men in the family courts also then does this automatically make you a feminist?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why do people keep stating this like it's a fact when it's simply... Err... Not? Did someone famous say it or something? Was it spammed across Facebook attributed to some random celebface?

Look it up in a dictionary perhaps? If you don't think that's what feminism means then you've been caught up in the negative spin designed to discredit it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Smithy

because thats the definition of it?

I'm going to post this again. I've already posted it on this thread but apparently no one wanted to actually read it.

This is the ACTUAL DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF FEMINISM from the Oxford dictionary, I am copy and pasting it, word for word:

Feminism, noun:

"The advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of the equality of the sexes."


This does NOT translate to "if you believe in equality you are a feminist" or anything even approaching that. Feminism is inherently sexist, it always will be inherently sexist, and therefore not only is it not about equality, it CAN NEVER BE about equality until it is genuinely gender blind.

That includes losing the gender biased terminology.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Look it up in a dictionary perhaps? If you don't think that's what feminism means then you've been caught up in the negative spin designed to discredit it.

As you can see, I have, unlike apparently everyone else.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm going to post this again. I've already posted it on this thread but apparently no one wanted to actually read it.

This is the ACTUAL DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF FEMINISM from the Oxford dictionary, I am copy and pasting it, word for word:

Feminism, noun:

"The advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of the equality of the sexes."


This does NOT translate to "if you believe in equality you are a feminist" or anything even approaching that. Feminism is inherently sexist, it always will be inherently sexist, and therefore not only is it not about equality, it CAN NEVER BE about equality until it is genuinely gender blind.

That includes losing the gender biased terminology.

Perhaps you should read the entire definition first before frothing at the mouth at seeing the phrase 'women's rights'?

Feminism is about equality, it's obviously focused more on women's rights because it isn't equal and anyone that believes the scales are equal are foolish and gullible for buying into the negative spin.

[Firewire]

I love meninists

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Perhaps you should read the entire definition first before frothing at the mouth at seeing the phrase 'women's rights'?

Feminism is about equality, it's obviously focused more on women's rights because it isn't equal and anyone that believes the scales are equal are foolish and gullible for buying into the negative spin.

I fully believe in equality for all people, be it on the grounds of gender, race, sexual orientation, upbringing, circumstance, whatever. That should be fairly evident from the bulk of my posts on this forum. I am aware that it's not always a level playing field. That applies on many more layers than just gender, and gender isn't even the most significant of them. I also accept that first and second wave feminism over the last century or so has been vital.

But I also believe, fully, that modern feminism does nothing more than further division and in doing so, encourage inequality. It is a hot mess. I am not a feminist. I will not define myself as a feminist. And I refuse to be bullied into doing so by people who can't see beyond default terminology and established political norms.

It needs changed. I'm not being part of the problem.

[Kizzy]

I just like people... :/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I just like people... :/

Well I personally wouldn't go that far, I can't stand most people, but... I can't stand them equally

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I also think 'humankind' is a better phrase as it is equal for both genders.Feminist is certainly not and i do believe in equality for men and women but i am not feminist.I am an 'equalist'.Equality for both sexes.

I think the word 'equalist' instantly says more about you than the word 'feminist'. If I tell someone I am a 'feminist' I have to accept that all manner of things will pop into their minds but if I simply say I'm an 'equalist', all that says is I like equality for men and equality for women.