[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

Thank you very much Joey, I am appalled that arista would consider my views to be anything but fair and balanced

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

the referendum will be enormous....and farage will be the only leader fighting the other pro European zealots. the result of the referendum will determine our future and ukips....I don't see ukip doing much in 20 years but with farage they may be a force for the next 5 to 10 years..farage has done an enormously great service for this country in europe

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

Bang On Right LT

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

Still 8x more seats than your mob

I am not really that much of a Lib Dem mind

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Still 8x more seats than your mob

I am not really that much of a Lib Dem mind

Bit off topic but who out of Tim Farron and Norman Lamb do you thing has the best chance of restoring the Lib Dems to 3rd party in votes again over UKIP,MTVN.
I'd go for Tim Farron myself.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Bit off topic but who out of Tim Farron and Norman Lamb do you thing has the best chance of restoring the Lib Dems to 3rd party in votes again over UKIP,MTVN.
I'd go for Tim Farron myself.

Hmm well I think Farron definitely will win; he's the party darling who has put in the hard yards to rise through the ranks and has a lot of support amongst the grassroots. He very much represents a new start and a break with the Clegg era so probably does have the best hope of rejuvenating the party. I do actually like Lamb as well and might even prefer him to Farron but I just don't think Lamb is enough of a character to muster widespread support and I don't think he's as capable as breathing new life into the Lib Dems. I think Lamb would be the continuity candidate and that's probably not what they need.

It's a very difficult role for either of them. It will probably take ten years at an absolute minimum to recoup their losses from this election, probably even longer. It might not happen at all; if Labour and the Tories both move to occupy the centre ground then the Lib Dems need to do a lot of thinking about where their place is in modern politics.

[empire]

the pm will be having nightmares tonight when he saw nigel farage standing near number ten,

[MTVN]

Some of Nigel Farage's fellow European Parliament members have been making references to his shortlived resignation as UKIP leader.

Guy Verhofstadt, leader of the ALDE group that includes British Lib Dems, said: “Nigel Farage has sent a letter to Nigel Farage saying I resign, and Nigel Farage has responded to Nigel Farage saying ‘I refuse’."

[arista]

Its Called Democracy Jack

[Kizzy]

It's important to listen to business isn't it ...That's what Cameron, Farage et al are always force feeding us?
Then why when the CBI suggest businesses promote staying in the EU is this not acknowledged?....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's important to listen to business isn't it ...That's what Cameron, Farage et al are always force feeding us?
Then why when the CBI suggest businesses promote staying in the EU is this not acknowledged?....

Thats one blokes Viewpoint

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats one blokes Viewpoint

No, its much more than one guy, the CBI represents all business across the UK. Kizzy makes an excellent point

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, its much more than one guy, the CBI represents all business across the UK. Kizzy makes an excellent point

I was just going to say that.

This man is one powerful influence, no doubt about that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, its much more than one guy, the CBI represents all business across the UK. Kizzy makes an excellent point

Of course The CBI has importance
but its still the one blokes fight
he debated Live on Early morning Radio 5
Farage Won it,

[the truth]

anyone who attacks farage ends up looking biased and ignorant as with Russell brand or bigoted...farage has his facts hes been there and worn the tshirt for many years exposing the total fraud waste corruption HYPOCRISY and mismanagement of the eu

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by the truth

anyone who attacks farage ends up looking biased and ignorant as with Russell brand or bigoted...farage has his facts hes been there and worn the tshirt for many years exposing the total fraud waste corruption HYPOCRISY and mismanagement of the eu

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is

Indeed

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is

He is Not Ignorant


And he must be Biased
for his party.


I Back the PM
I Back Winners

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is

lies