[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Thanks Kizzy

Bannons name is coming up again and again. Here is a recent article about Bannon's perceived influence on the current crop of executive orders:

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/20...-orders/215179

Its also well worth the time to read for Bannon insight:
Building the House of Breitbart

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/b...ht-koch-trump/

Stephen Bannon is an extreme Alt-Right, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, who has absolutely no business being in any position which would influence official government policies.

No he isn't.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

No he isn't.

Oh yes he is!

#pantostylee

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

No he isn't.

He describes himself as Alt-Right and he was a major player at Breitbart, he's a nazi.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

No he isn't.

If you can't debate then why come in here? this feels seriously trollish.

[Jack_]

I don't know whether we should be longing for his impeachment, the alternative really isn't much better at all. We have four years of this divisive nonsense, and it'll be eight if the Democrats don't get their act together.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't know whether we should be longing for his impeachment, the alternative really isn't much better at all. We have four years of this divisive nonsense, and it'll be eight if the Democrats don't get their act together.

I thought this at first but I'm beginning to change my mind. In my opinion any alternative is much more likey to at least toe the line. Trump is thus far looking completely ****ing unstable.

[Kizzy]

Come on Mr Sanders! ... (no not the KFC guy)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see the sore losers are not resorting to name calling


how fckg predictable

did not take long

[MB.]

Yes, that's the real problem here, name calling xo

[Withano]

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I wonder if you would be so blase about that if one of those fatalities had been someone close to you.. Always different when it is faceless strangers hey...

The more people we let in the more extremists we will get and your chart will change considerably.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I wonder if you would be so blase about that if one of those fatalities had been someone close to you.. Always different when it is faceless strangers hey...

The more people we let in the more extremists we will get and your chart will change considerably.

Right.. But if you had a better conceptual understanding of graphs, you could see for yourself that extermists are not the problem, as far as America goes, theyre barely a problem. Maybe take another look, Jack posted a clearer one which may help you understand how dumb Trumps team and those who agree with them are being.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Right.. But if you had a better conceptual understanding of graphs, you could see for yourself that extermists are not the problem, as far as America goes, theyre barely a problem. Maybe take another look, Jack posted a clearer one which may help you understand how dumb Trumps team and those who agree with them are being.

But there is no denying that will change with considerably more immigrants coming in to the USA unless of course Trump's ban works,

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But there is no denying that will change with considerably more immigrants coming in to the USA unless of course Trump's ban works,

What are your current thoughts on this ban inspiring more attacks...
At the moment, less Americans are killed by extremists than they are toddlers.. How would you react if this was to change as a direct retaliation of the ban?

Wouldnt it be awful if the graph no longer looked the way it does in 4 years time due to Trump and his supporters paranoia

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I wonder if you would be so blase about that if one of those fatalities had been someone close to you.. Always different when it is faceless strangers hey...

The more people we let in the more extremists we will get and your chart will change considerably.

It doesn't change a thing, you're bringing emotions into a discussion about facts because you can't argue with the said facts.

If you wish to generalise threats in America then why aren't you campaigning against socially awkward white teenagers since they are more likely to kill people en masse in the US than a Muslim is. Domestic terrorism IE school shootings, attacks on abortion clinics, other types of mass shootings in public places are more common than a terrorist attack from a foreign extremist. Even when you look at the domestic attacks, the chances of being killed by a muslim terrorist are less than that than an upset white teenager that's mad at the world.

The restrictions placed on Muslim countries will not prevent terrorism, it is just a placebo for the willfully ignorant. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem and I believe Trump's actions will likely lead to more than one major terrorist attack in the near future since he is aggravating the situation instead of taking meaningful actions to solve the problem once and for all.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't change a thing, you're bringing emotions into a discussion about facts because you can't argue with the said facts.

If you wish to generalise threats in America then why aren't you campaigning against socially awkward white teenagers since they are more likely to kill people en masse in the US than a Muslim is. Domestic terrorism IE school shootings, attacks on abortion clinics, other types of mass shootings in public places are more common than a terrorist attack from a foreign extremist. Even when you look at the domestic attacks, the chances of being killed by a muslim terrorist are less than that than an upset white teenager that's mad at the world.

The restrictions placed on Muslim countries will not prevent terrorism, it is just a placebo for the willfully ignorant. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem and I believe Trump's actions will likely lead to more than one major terrorist attack in the near future since he is aggravating the situation instead of taking meaningful actions to solve the problem once and for all.

Attitudes like yours put everybody at risk as you constantly put your desire to appease Muslims above anything else. There will undoubtedly be a major terrorist attack in the near future, that has been on the cards for a long time, hardly rocket science, but of course the anti-Trumps will try to put that on him and his ban rather than the hate filled bitter Muslim terrorists who thrive on terrorising people and who have been looking for the opportunity to do so for some time. The fact that more attacks have not occurred is because they have been thwarted by good intelligence.

Hopefully the opportunity to carry out an attack will further be thwarted by the ban - we don't want to make it too easy for them do we? They will probably attack Americans elsewhere in the world where it will be easier to get at them.

As for wilful ignorance I see plenty of that coming from the anti-Trump side from those furious that he actually had the nerve to keep his word. Like it or not this is what many of the American electorate wanted and why he was voted in And he owes an allegiance to them not left-leaning Brits who want to try to tell Americans what they can and can't do in their country or left/leaning Americans who didn't vote for him. At the end of the day he is trying to protect all Americans even if some are too stupid to see that and can only focus on the rights of the Muslim minority.

Socially awkward teenagers cannot be compared to religous groups as they are Americans and the responsibility of the American system. The same duty of responsibility is not owed to immigrants who abuse the privilege of being allowed into America.

It is irrelevant how many Americans/Westerners are killed in other ways, if we can stop more being killed by religous groups who hate our freedoms and way of life and seek to destroy that, it is a good thing not a bad thing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Attitudes like yours put everybody at risk as you constantly put your desire to appease Muslims above anything else. There will undoubtedly be a major terrorist attack in the near future, that has been on the cards for a long time, hardly rocket science, but of course the anti-Trumps will try to put that on him and his ban rather than the hate filled bitter Muslim terrorists who thrive on terrorising people and who have been looking for the opportunity to do so for some time. The fact that more attacks have not occurred is because they have been thwarted by good intelligence.

Hopefully the opportunity to carry out an attack will further be thwarted by the ban - we don't want to make it too easy for them do we? They will probably attack Americans elsewhere in the world where it will be easier to get at them.

As for wilful ignorance I see plenty of that coming from the anti-Trump side from those furious that he actually had the nerve to keep his word. Like it or not this is what many of the American electorate wanted and why he was voted in And he owes an allegiance to them not left-leaning Brits who want to try to tell Americans what they can and can't do in their country or left/leaning Americans who didn't vote for him. At the end of the day he is trying to protect all Americans even if some are too stupid to see that and can only focus on the rights of the Muslim minority.

Socially awkward teenagers cannot be compared to religous groups as they are Americans and the responsibility of the American system. The same duty of responsibility is not owed to immigrants who abuse the privilege of being allowed into America.

It is irrelevant how many Americans/Westerners are killed in other ways, if we can stop more being killed by religous groups who hate our freedoms and way of life and seek to destroy that, it is a good thing not a bad thing.

What is your strategy for home grown terrorism?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Attitudes like yours put everybody at risk as you constantly put your desire to appease Muslims above anything else. There will undoubtedly be a major terrorist attack in the near future, that has been on the cards for a long time, hardly rocket science, but of course the anti-Trumps will try to put that on him and his ban rather than the hate filled bitter Muslim terrorists who thrive on terrorising people and who have been looking for the opportunity to do so for some time. The fact that more attacks have not occurred is because they have been thwarted by good intelligence.

Hopefully the opportunity to carry out an attack will further be thwarted by the ban - we don't want to make it too easy for them do we? They will probably attack Americans elsewhere in the world where it will be easier to get at them.

As for wilful ignorance I see plenty of that coming from the anti-Trump side from those furious that he actually had the nerve to keep his word. Like it or not this is what many of the American electorate wanted and why he was voted in And he owes an allegiance to them not left-leaning Brits who want to try to tell Americans what they can and can't do in their country or left/leaning Americans who didn't vote for him. At the end of the day he is trying to protect all Americans even if some are too stupid to see that and can only focus on the rights of the Muslim minority.

Socially awkward teenagers cannot be compared to religous groups as they are Americans and the responsibility of the American system. The same duty of responsibility is not owed to immigrants who abuse the privilege of being allowed into America.

It is irrelevant how many Americans/Westerners are killed in other ways, if we can stop more being killed by religous groups who hate our freedoms and way of life and seek to destroy that, it is a good thing not a bad thing.

All the ban will achieve is make America a bigger target. The ban does nothing to stop terrorism, it's just for the sake of people like you who are wilfully ignorant.

It's not about appeasement, it's about common sense. Not all muslims are terrorists and it does nothing good to treat innocent people as suspects based on nothing but your own paranoid fears. What Trump is doing is unconstitutional and goes against the core tenets that the US was built upon. It's rather sad that you are supporting the infringement of human rights because you are crippled by fear especially when this ban will do nothing to actually help.

People who gladly throw their own rights away and the rights of others to feel a false sense of security make me sick.

Your third paragraph is just the typical useless 'LEFT IS THE DEVIL' rubbish that you present as fact although it isn't in the slightest. You've ignored actual facts presented by peopel in thsi thread because you can't argue against them, like usual, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Your point about downplaying terrorism committed by non-muslim parties is silly too, there hasn't been a Muslim terrorist attack carried out by a foreign party in any of the banned countries since 1975 like Greg said so what's the point of this ban? It's a meaningless measure meant to appease the ignorant and not actually achieve anything in the process.

When it comes to terrorism, the biggest threat to the average American isn't every Muslim from abroad but white mass shooters that were born and raised in America. It's kind of odd how you are so willing to breeze past that to screech about arabic people and muslims.

[MB.]

Not to mention that more Americans are killed in lightning strikes than domestic terrorist attacks, which I'm sure would lead Trump to try and ban all weather

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MB.

Not to mention that more Americans are killed in lightning strikes than domestic terrorist attacks, which I'm sure would lead Trump to try and ban all weather

What are you trying to tell us? Are you saying we don't need to worry about terrorism, but instead concentrate on the weather?

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Alf

What are you trying to tell us? Are you saying we don't need to worry about terrorism, but instead concentrate on the weather?

No, that's not what I'm saying in the slightest

[Jack_]

Will it now?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Will it now?

And!

So if you are unlucky enough to have a loved one of yours killed by an Islamic terrorist we will console you with meaningless remarks such as poor them only a small number of people get killed by islamic terrorists - would that give you some peace?

Besides that figure will increase big time with the amount of immigrants coming to the West. - it is inevitable.

Lol at the armed toddlers.

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And!

So if you are unlucky enough to have a loved one of yours killed by an Islamic terrorist we will console you with meaningless remarks such as poor them only a small number of people get killed by islamic terrorists - would that give you some peace?

Besides that figure will increase big time with the amount of immigrants coming to the West. - it is inevitable.

Lol at the armed toddlers.

Please be careful when saying things such as "lol at the armed toddlers".

I have my Fire Arms license and in training we learn it is common for kids to find hidden guns and accidentally shoot their loved ones not knowing better- not a laughing matter at all.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by rk3388

Please be careful when saying things such as "lol at the armed toddlers".

I have my Fire Arms license and in training we learn it is common for kids to find hidden guns and accidentally shoot their loved ones not knowing better- not a laughing matter at all.

Of course it isn't, but seeing it on that chart like that seemed funny at the time but I see your point.