[bots]

i have no issue with political parties changing direction based on informed feedback, whatever its source, provided its benefiting the country. No-one should.

People will always moan if they can't stand the political party, no matter if they are doing it for the best of reasons, that's where it gets childish and serves little purpose

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i have no issue with political parties changing direction based on informed feedback, whatever its source, provided its benefiting the country. No-one should.

People will always moan if they can't stand the political party, no matter if they are doing it for the best of reasons, that's where it gets childish and serves little purpose

Depends if that 'informed feedback' is based on an agenda i.e. Winning an election at all costs. It should also never attempt to overturn a public vote which it is now doing.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Depends if that 'informed feedback' is based on an agenda i.e. Winning an election at all costs. It should also never attempt to overturn a public vote which it is now doing.

no-one was completely informed at the time of the vote, so no-one could vote for anything more than a principal. The principle was that we are leaving the EU, that is happening, the details of that MUST be worked out for the maximum benefit of the country, not to satisfy individuals lust for whatever agenda they may have.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no-one was completely informed at the time of the vote, so no-one could vote for anything more than a principal. The principle was that we are leaving the EU, that is happening, the details of that MUST be worked out for the maximum benefit of the country, not to satisfy individuals lust for whatever agenda they may have.

So you support a second referendum then by the sound of it. In the opinion of many that undermines a democratic vote - no-one said anything at the time that there would be a second referendum vote if some did not like the result. We were led to believe that was it. It is all clearly very convenient and agenda driven.

[Tom4784]

It's easier to ignore the unholy mess that is the current Tory government as long as you can distract yourself with Corbyn hate.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's easier to ignore the unholy mess that is the current Tory government as long as you can distract yourself with Corbyn hate.

Np problems within the Labour Party then! Less than pretty mess themselves. As for 'hate' you seem pretty familiar with that and your hate of May.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Np problems within the Labour Party then! Less than pretty mess themselves. As for 'hate' you seem pretty familiar with that and your hate of May.

You've just proved me right, Corbyn's not leading the current government, he is the opposition so focusing on him is silly since you are literally just ignoring what's actually happening within the government because you dislike reality. This isn't a labour government, focusing your hate on him won't make the Tories' mistakes go away.

You really need to learn to make good comparisons, comparing your Corbyn obsession to my dislike of May is, again, silly and nonsensical. I don't spend my days googling articles from any and all sources no matter how terrible they are (We shall never forget you quoting Buzzfed and Urban Dictionary as 'credible' sources).

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've just proved me right, Corbyn's not leading the current government, he is the opposition so focusing on him is silly since you are literally just ignoring what's actually happening within the government because you dislike reality. This isn't a labour government, focusing your hate on him won't make the Tories' mistakes go away.

You really need to learn to make good comparisons, comparing your Corbyn obsession to my dislike of May is, again, silly and nonsensical. I don't spend my days googling articles from any and all sources no matter how terrible they are (We shall never forget you quoting Buzzfed and Urban Dictionary as 'credible' sources).

You do like that word hate don't you, seeing as you use it all the time - it is just so emotive and hysterical, right up your street and good to throw around for effect.

Of course I don't like the man or his policies and when I see an article that I would like to pass comment on I will - what's your problem with that? To try to equate political discourse with real hate just dilutes and undermines the value of the word - again weak! This is a forum, you shouldn't have a problem with that unless of course you simply don't like people expressing opinions you don't agree with. Of course the Tories have made mistakes, I just believe Corbyn's will be worse - again what is the issue here?

'Spending my days googling articles' that is about as weak a dig as it gets: A) I have a service that brings up current news articles, so I don't have to google very much and B) I have been off work this week. Is that ok with you?

As for me ONCE quoting a buzzfeed article and ONCE an urban dictionary definition - where do I start!! You are the one spending your time tracking what sources I quote from, which is rather odd, and should therefore know the wide variety of sources I quote from - more than many who stick to the same biased tired old sources every time.

Honestly anyone would think you were trying to turn SD into a left-wing only opinion-based section.

[Tom4784]

A second referendum is pointless, people made their mistake and now they've got to live with the consequence of leaving with no plans in place and a government that doesn't really want to leave in the first place (which, ironically, the leavers voted for).

Democratic elections and referendums have consequences, a lot of people are gonna hopefully learn not to vote in ignorance once Brexit unfolds.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is unrelated to what Brillo said

Farage is not an MP and unfinished business is not "There will be another referendum" not that he would be able to do anything about that, not being part of the government

Except Brillo (and others) constantly talk about how 'remoaners' can't accept a democratic result and that in still continuing to campaign for a cause they believe in (whether they want a second referendum or not), they are anti-democracy. So I'm just pointing out (for the umpteenth time) that everyone's favourite Wanker Banker Nigel Farage himself pretty much said before the referendum that he'd be doing the same thing if the result had gone the other way.

But you knew that anyway

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Farage has said a lot of stuff, shall we take that as gospel too?

I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve that had the referendum result been the reverse, he'd have continued to campaign to leave the EU for the foreseeable future. And I'd have had no problem with that, just as I have no problem with those who wish to remain in the EU (or at least want a different kind of Brexit than this government does) protesting and campaigning for what they believe in either.

Unlike many people on this forum, I don't believe that democracy begins and ends at the ballot box. Unlike them, I'm not anti-democracy.

Just here to point out the double standards!

[waterhog]

don't hate him but he has not got a clue and is not a leader ? we are just on a loop and going round and round.

[Crimson Dynamo]

a member insults tibb forum members, mods and admin and another member comes on to post an agreement

wow

[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-policy-change

Labour MPs warn of backlash if Corbyn shifts Brexit stance - which was my point exactly.

[Brillopad]

http://www.cityam.com/271894/corbyns...abject-failure

A cunning man indeed, but not quite cunning enough. He played dirty and now he is lying with his face in the mud.

[Withano]

"Ok Google, search the web for Corbyn is very very bad"
*copies link, opens tibb, pastes link*

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

"Ok Google, search the web for Corbyn is very very bad"
*copies link, opens tibb, pastes link*

Do you have to do a google search for current news items then - you poor thing. I would have thought you would be more up-to-date than that!

[DemolitionRed]

This champagne drinking, cigar smoking, Jaguar driving ex Scotish conservative MP is a biased journalist who spends his life twittering all things bad about Corbyn and he's not very good at it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This champagne drinking, cigar smoking, Jaguar driving ex Scotish conservative MP is a biased journalist who spends his life twittering all things bad about Corbyn and he's not very good at it.

Unlike all those biased Guardian and Independent journalists the left love to quote. The facts are still the facts as demonstrated by Corbyn's continued electioneering several months after the election and constant u-turns on Brexit. It all adds up!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Unlike all those biased Guardian and Independent journalists the left love to quote. The facts are still the facts as demonstrated by Corbyn's continued electioneering several months after the election and constant u-turns on Brexit. It all adds up!

All adds up to what?!?! This isn't news... he's not telling us anything we don't know. This is just a spit and venom blog that has people like you sitting up and taking notice. There's nothing new in that Tory article other than Monteith's own twist and very deliberate negatives like, cunning plan and fatally flawed, downfall, disaster, damaging, exposed, deceiver, rat and crisis, to have us all believe the Labour party are a cunning manipulative bunch of ******s but he really wouldn't bother putting pen to paper if he didn't genuinely see the Labour party as the real threat that it is.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

All adds up to what?!?! This isn't news... he's not telling us anything we don't know. This is just a spit and venom blog that has people like you sitting up and taking notice. There's nothing new in that Tory article other than Monteith's own twist and very deliberate negatives like, cunning plan and fatally flawed, downfall, disaster, damaging, exposed, deceiver, rat and crisis, to have us all believe the Labour party are a cunning manipulative bunch of ******s but he really wouldn't bother putting pen to paper if he didn't genuinely see the Labour party as the real threat that it is.

Calm down, you are giving the impression the article rattles you!

[user104658]

Article opens;

"A year ago, Labour was on the wrong side of history"

Just Labour was it? Is that how we're remembering Brexit? Tories were all for it and Labour against?










Another trash article Brillo, you need to start being more discerning . When the first bloody SENTENCE is biased, revisionist nonsense you know you're in for something special.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Article opens;

"A year ago, Labour was on the wrong side of history"

Just Labour was it? Is that how we're remembering Brexit? Tories were all for it and Labour against?










Another trash article Brillo, you need to start being more discerning . When the first bloody SENTENCE is biased, revisionist nonsense you know you're in for something special.

Tbh the topic should have ended here. The article is trash and revisionist.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Tbh the topic should have ended here. The article is trash and revisionist.

Why because it is critical of 'king' Corbyn? The attempt to control what news subjects can be posted on here is what is more off-putting.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why because it is critical of 'king' Corbyn? The attempt to control what news subjects can be posted on here is what is more off-putting.

Because, if you acknowledged TS' post instead of ignoring it because you can't argue against it, then you would have to accept that the article tried to make out that only Labour Supported Remain when the issue of Brexit divided ALL the parties. From the very first sentence it had a critical inaccuracy that informed the rest of the article, thus voiding it of validity.

Again, you keep trying to attack people by making out they worship Corbyn but you are the only one that talks about him anymore. You are the one making topics about him, you are the one bringing him up in unrelated topics. You are obsessed with him and no one else is. You are confusing your imagination in which everyone worships Corbyn to the reality in which you are the only one talking about him and that's quite worrying.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why because it is critical of 'king' Corbyn? The attempt to control what news subjects can be posted on here is what is more off-putting.

No, what's off putting is you attempting to pass an opinion piece off as fact.