[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In my eyes, what Rory has put on the table is just yet another way for businesses getting out of having to fork out another wage, why do that when they can just get a youngster in to do it for free?

Thats all it ever is. Excuses to not pay properly, and not give proper workers rights.

Similar to 'workfare' schemes. Where, if these pisstaking employers just paid the staff as they should, then the person who is made to work for free, would be off the dole and have a decent bloody wage. But no, lets punish those who are out of work by giving employers a chance to get free workers, meanwhile the person with no job still has no job or wage, but is working 40 hours per week, and still being referred to as lazy scum because they have to claim JSA to survive, while doing a fulltime job. Ugh. This topic makes me rage so much, its vile, yet people support it because 'lazy scroungers'..meanwhile the lazy scroungers are doing more actual work than those calling them lazy scroungers.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats all it ever is. Excuses to not pay properly, and not give proper workers rights.

Similar to 'workfare' schemes. Where, if these pisstaking employers just paid the staff as they should, then the person who is made to work for free, would be off the dole and have a decent bloody wage. But no, lets punish those who are out of work by giving employers a chance to get free workers, meanwhile the person with no job still has no job or wage, but is working 40 hours per week, and still being referred to as lazy scum because they have to claim JSA to survive, while doing a fulltime job. Ugh. This topic makes me rage so much, its vile, yet people support it because 'lazy scroungers'..meanwhile the lazy scroungers are doing more actual work than those calling them lazy scroungers.

Pretty much

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In my eyes, what Rory has put on the table is just yet another way for businesses getting out of having to fork out another wage, why do that when they can just get a youngster in to do it for free?

He wasn't talking about young people stacking shelves in Tesco, it was community projects. That's the sort of thing which councils usually do rather than businesses.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He wasn't talking about young people stacking shelves in Tesco, it was community projects. That's the sort of thing which councils usually do rather than businesses.

Community projects like what, litter picking, communal gardening, looking after old folk? All things that people could and should be paid to do, it’s just another way to vilify the young and get away with free labour

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am fairly sure that 16-18 year olds have no choice but to be in education these days?

At the moment, yes. But obviously if additional things were in place, this would be adjusted.

[Twosugars]

I'd make old bigots volunteer at asylum seekers detention centres

[Morgan.]

At college we are currently being encouraged to do ‘industry placements’.

We would basically go to a company for a week, complete work they need doing, and all for free. Now this in itself is a bad idea, as all we gain from it is a little experience. But in the field I’m in, filmmaking, it’s a tough job making an entire film or advert solo, and for free. There’s the casting, planning, filming, editing, sound production, rendering etc - and to do that alone for no money is just something I’d rather not do. Especially when we are so used to working in groups where everyone can focus on their strong suit.

When we are giving them a skill, talent, whatever you call it, it’s the kind of thing I expect to be paid for. Yes I’m just starting out, so I’m not asking for much as it’s not the same quality as an industry professional, but it’s passable work and not something that in the industry would be given as a freebie.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

At college we are currently being encouraged to do ‘industry placements’.

We would basically go to a company for a week, complete work they need doing, and all for free. Now this in itself is a bad idea, as all we gain from it is a little experience. But in the field I’m in, filmmaking, it’s a tough job making an entire film or advert solo, and for free. There’s the casting, planning, filming, editing, sound production, rendering etc - and to do that alone for no money is just something I’d rather not do. Especially when we are so used to working in groups where everyone can focus on their strong suit.

When we are giving them a skill, talent, whatever you call it, it’s the kind of thing I expect to be paid for. Yes I’m just starting out, so I’m not asking for much as it’s not the same quality as an industry professional, but it’s passable work and not something that in the industry would be given as a freebie.

My first, and only, industry placement was for a local musician who wanted a music video but wouldn’t give me any direction. I made one. He didn’t like it. He didn’t use it. I re aimed unpaid, for what frankly was a waste of my time.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

At college we are currently being encouraged to do ‘industry placements’.

We would basically go to a company for a week, complete work they need doing, and all for free. Now this in itself is a bad idea, as all we gain from it is a little experience. But in the field I’m in, filmmaking, it’s a tough job making an entire film or advert solo, and for free. There’s the casting, planning, filming, editing, sound production, rendering etc - and to do that alone for no money is just something I’d rather not do. Especially when we are so used to working in groups where everyone can focus on their strong suit.

When we are giving them a skill, talent, whatever you call it, it’s the kind of thing I expect to be paid for. Yes I’m just starting out, so I’m not asking for much as it’s not the same quality as an industry professional, but it’s passable work and not something that in the industry would be given as a freebie.

Yup, you are working, even though you are learning, and should be paid for it.

Its odd, when people think stuff lie this is ok because 'lazy young', should work for free, but then complain that they have to claim JSA or whatever to survive on. Like, you cannot logically agree with both forcing people to work for free, but also complain that they have no income.

I think even learning on the job stuff should be paid. I think workfare and the likes should be done away with and employers should be made to pay proper wages when people work for them, rather than picking from an endless pool of unfortunate people who have to do all the bad sides of working without the one upside, which is a wage and cash to do what you want. I also think employers such as subway, should be made to pay properly rather than using 'apprenticeship' as a way to pay half, or less. Its horrible and exploitative and absolutely should not be encouraged or allowed.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

At college we are currently being encouraged to do ‘industry placements’.

We would basically go to a company for a week, complete work they need doing, and all for free. Now this in itself is a bad idea, as all we gain from it is a little experience. But in the field I’m in, filmmaking, it’s a tough job making an entire film or advert solo, and for free. There’s the casting, planning, filming, editing, sound production, rendering etc - and to do that alone for no money is just something I’d rather not do. Especially when we are so used to working in groups where everyone can focus on their strong suit.

When we are giving them a skill, talent, whatever you call it, it’s the kind of thing I expect to be paid for. Yes I’m just starting out, so I’m not asking for much as it’s not the same quality as an industry professional, but it’s passable work and not something that in the industry would be given as a freebie.

You could go and be a runner for a week? Sure, it's the butt-end of the career ladder in film and tv, but it's where most have to start, and you'd get to see a lot of the different aspects of putting the thing together.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You could go and be a runner for a week? Sure, it's the butt-end of the career ladder in film and tv, but it's where most have to start, and you'd get to see a lot of the different aspects of putting the thing together.

My point wasn’t that though. I’d happily be a runner. But those opportunities aren’t given us because we aren’t near any studios. The opportunities we get are make a film for someone for free.

[Liam-]

In my experience old people are the worst; rude, entitled, ignorant, what about those sorts of people, who just sit and knit all day? Should something be done about them?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In my experience old people are the worst; rude, entitled, ignorant, what about those sorts of people, who just sit and knit all day? Should something be done about them?

you do realise that your words are 100% discriminatory

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you do realise that your words are 100% discriminatory

No more discriminatory than saying young people are lazy, lowlife scrowngers that sit and play Xbox all day

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you do realise that your words are 100% discriminatory

Well I obviously agree 100% but its clearly a reply to the likes of...

Originally Posted by Liam-

No more discriminatory than saying young people are lazy, lowlife scrowngers that sit and play Xbox all day

This kind of thing. Which seems fine and dandy.

6 of one 2 3s of the other IMO.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you do realise that your words are 100% discriminatory

Pretty much and it’s gross but you should pull up others for doing it too about the younger generation. Young and old are as bad as each other.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you do realise that your words are 100% discriminatory

Got away with it yet again

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In my experience old people are the worst; rude, entitled, ignorant, what about those sorts of people, who just sit and knit all day? Should something be done about them?

Very true. Just sit on their arses and pronounce on everything

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In my experience old people are the worst; rude, entitled, ignorant, what about those sorts of people, who just sit and knit all day? Should something be done about them?

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Very true. Just sit on their arses and pronounce on everything

Maybe they should be retroactively made to work for several decades, pay taxes, and in some cases fight for the country ... or something?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe they should be retroactively made to work for several decades, pay taxes, and in some cases fight for the country ... or something?

They should be less judgmental that's all

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

They should be less judgmental that's all

People need to take a good long look at themselves before they diss other people old or young.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe they should be retroactively made to work for several decades, pay taxes, and in some cases fight for the country ... or something?

I’m not the one suggesting we force anyone born after 2000 into war zones, no-one should be forced into anything because of their age, that’s sort of the point I’m trying to make

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m not the one suggesting we force anyone born after 2000 into war zones, no-one should be forced into anything because of their age, that’s sort of the point I’m trying to make

Its not about forcing them though,its those who commit crimes, and wonder round aimlessly commiting all sorts, we force them into prison so why not a boot camp style facility,

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Its not about forcing them though,its those who commit crimes, and wonder round aimlessly commiting all sorts, we force them into prison so why not a boot camp style facility,

Once again, boot camp for criminals isn’t the subject that’s been put on the table,

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Its not about forcing them though,its those who commit crimes, and wonder round aimlessly commiting all sorts, we force them into prison so why not a boot camp style facility,

Yeah you seem to be focussed on criminals which is a different convo really and something I could probably get on board with.

However the general thread, along with the answers to stuff, is about just..'the young'. No criminals, just younger people in general who are apparently all idle and do nowt but play on xboxes (an answer that kind of shocked me tbh)

One thing saying its for those who do wrong in society. Quite another for it to be about people who are just born after a certain date, and for seemingly no reason besides some being lazy!