[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Zelah will still have female parts I assume

He should be pretty safe in the men's toilets then, people will just assume he likes coke or is taking a dump.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Like if trans people felt safe and accepted in public spaces there wouldn’t be this dire need for trans only spaces or trans women to be in biological women’s spaces because they could use the bathroom of the sex they were assigned at birth without fear of being assaulted etc

I agree with you in the sense that men who say they are women but are not making any effort to pass as a woman or live like a woman shouldn’t be allowed in female only spaces because then it’s very high risk, but the people who are living as a woman, can pass as a woman are less of a threat and therefore could use women’s only spaces as it would be harder to know.

Have I made sense there? Again hard for me to comment as a man

Well yeah in a perfect world I guess! But we don't live in a perfect world which is why there was a need for single sex spaces and safe guarding in general in the first place

[Vanessa]

He's really lovely and so mature. He's my vote to win. I know it's early but I know who I like.

[millyrose]

I really like him one of my favorites

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Nobody is asking him to pretend he’s a biological man. But he’s a man, since when does anyone care about the biology of a human? Saying ‘I see Zelah as a man’ is a ridic thing to say as who wouldn’t see him as a man any less so that Tate or Marcus?

This is the argument. Nobody is doubting biology, but what people are doubting is the fact he is a man when if he didn’t tell anyone he was trans, it’s most likely nobody would know and you and I wouldn’t be having this convo cos that’s how irrelevant it is to someone’s gender?

I do agree with you personally.

The only time Biology matters imo is to do with Sports, especially Martial Arts.

Edit.... Just to clarify, other issues on this topic I feel a bit mixed on tbh, so I would support whatever the majority of women feel on those other topics tbh.

[ebandit]

sure! zelah is a bloke if that's what they want........................however they can't dictate to others exactly how others may describe them.....................

if 'girl' is problematic then the issue is more with zelah than caroline........................

Mark L

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Without wanting to sound stupid, just what exactly would a trans man pee out off? Seemingly Zelah didn't have a penis.

Your obsession with other people’s genitals is once again, worrying.

[Jessica.]

Zelah has only been transitioning for two years and the ones who hate trans people and say trans men are self mutilating by having surgery are also discussing his genitalia and speculating about his lack of an appendage. Make it make sense? It's almost as if none of you actually care and it's just another topic you can regurgitate lines about from the dailymail.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Zelah has only been transitioning for two years and the ones who hate trans people and say trans men are self mutilating by having surgery are also discussing his genitalia and speculating about his lack of an appendage. Make it make sense? It's almost as if none of you actually care and it's just another topic you can regurgitate lines about from the dailymail.

Everyone loves him. He's doing great.