[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They'll have to not tell anyone, which is a very sad situation in itself. You can't get arrested for going out-of-state for an abortion if no one ever knew you were pregnant.

Yes, others are saying they want to post pills
that can terminate a child

[arista]

Spoiler:

A Fantastic Scene
from the near Future "Handmade's Tale"

[user104658]

It's a situation that simply can't go on forever anyway... it's a legal mess. The states that are outlawing it are effectively calling it murder - murder is a federal crime, obviously - but you can't have a federal crime that isn't a crime in all states. It's pretty much the definition of a federal offense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone get this?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Anyone get this?

It will possibly be true. If someone gets pregnant, both parents will be liable to pay for that child until adulthood. I'm guessing the woman mentioned thinks that some men will murder their baby mommas rather than pay 18 years of child support. They take considerably more from men in the US than here.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It will possibly be true. If someone gets pregnant, both parents will be liable to pay for that child until adulthood. I'm guessing the woman mentioned thinks that some men will murder their baby mommas rather than pay 18 years of child support. They take considerably more from men in the US than here.

There's that too, and it may be a comment on the number of women who are pressured INTO getting an abortion that they don't actually want, at the insistence/pressure of the father. Which is an anti-abortion argument, but not one that's without merit, this is definitely something that also happens, especially with young people (or as mentioned above, when the baby is the result of an affair). As a totally separate debate, there SHOULD ideally be better checks in place to make sure women aren't pressured into getting an abortion, as the associated guilt and trauma can be massive.

[edited to add] Pressure can often come from parents/family, also.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Anyone get this?

I *think* they might mean that there will be men who have been cheating on their partner and get other women pregnant, and then because that woman can't get an abortion and will be having their child, they'll murder them instead.

I don't think it'll happen in huge numbers but it will definitely happen, especially when it's rich old men with a lot to lose.

Then again, as I've said before, rich people will quite clearly still be able to get abortions... so most of those men are more likely to throw money at the problem and make it go away.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I *think* they might mean that there will be men who have been cheating on their partner and get other women pregnant, and then because that woman can't get an abortion and will be having their child, they'll murder them instead.

I don't think it'll happen in huge numbers but it will definitely happen, especially when it's rich old men with a lot to lose.

Then again, as I've said before, rich people will quite clearly still be able to get abortions... so most of those men are more likely to throw money at the problem and make it go away.

Ah yes

I guess you could also postulate that a child could be born (who would have otherwise been aborted) that goes on to save humanity somehow

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ah yes

I guess you could also postulate that a child could be born (who would have otherwise been aborted) that goes on to save humanity somehow

I don't think the world can operate on something so "butterfly effect", though... it's impossible. You could equally argue, what if that child is born, grows up and learns to drive, and hits another kid with their car ... and THAT kid was going to cure cancer.

A good illustration I've seen also is ... what if a kid is bullied at school and it wrecks his life and stops him saving a load of lives as an adult. Is that bully now a murderer? But also... what if a kid is bullied at school and that sends them down a life path of wanting to help people and they DO then save a load of lives. Is that bully now a saviour?

Obviously neither are the case... it's just "stuff happening" and you can never really know the cause/effect.

[bots]

its simple, they believe violence will increase against women because women could well be saying no a lot more often

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its simple, they believe violence will increase against women because women could well be saying no a lot more often

I wonder if whoever makes Durex shares have just gone up?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wonder if whoever makes Durex shares have just gone up?

There's rumblings about states wanting to ban contraception, so I imagine not...

Not great for condom manufacturers if 26 states start banning them.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's rumblings about states wanting to ban contraception, so I imagine not...

Not great for condom manufacturers if 26 states start banning them.

the pope was really happy about the decision, so you just know its heading down the catholic road

[bots]

next it will be burning infidels at the stake

[Crimson Dynamo]

ROME (AP) — Pope Francis celebrated families Saturday and urged them to shun “selfish” decisions that are indifferent to life as he closed out a big Vatican rally a day after the U.S. Supreme Court ended constitutional protections for abortion.

Francis didn’t refer to the ruling or explicitly mention abortion in his homily. But he used the buzzwords he has throughout his papacy about the need to defend families and to condemn a “culture of waste” that he believes is behind the societal acceptance of abortion.

“Let us not allow the family to be poisoned by the toxins of selfishness, individualism, today’s culture of indifference and waste, and as a result lose its very DNA, which is the spirit of welcoming and service,” he said.

The pope, noting that some couples allow their fears and anxieties to “thwart the desire to bring new lives in the world,” called for them not to cling to selfish desires.

“You have been asked to not have other priorities, not to ‘look back’ to miss your former life, your former freedom, with its deceptive illusions,” he said.

Francis has strongly upheld church teaching opposing abortion, equating it to “hiring a hitman to solve a problem.” At the same time, he has expressed sympathy for women who had abortions and made it easier for them to be absolved of the sin of undergoing the procedure.

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-...4077f51b15dd04

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Victory for life is such bull****, fat cats like him have no idea what it takes to raise a child or what poverty is

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Victory for life is such bull****, fat cats like him have no idea what it takes to raise a child or what poverty is

but that isnt his fault?

poor people have no idea what it is like to be rich and have ever utterance used and abused by the world?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but that isnt his fault?



poor people have no idea what it is like to be rich and have ever utterance used and abused by the world?

The point is he has no idea what it's like for women and girls in situations so hard they choose abortion

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The point is he has no idea what it's like for women and girls in situations so hard they choose abortion

Does any world leader?

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

I know thats just a snap shot but its backs up what I heard someone say a few days ago ago that it is the boomer generation in the US who support abortion, Gen Z and Millenials are anti ...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I know thats just a snap shot but its backs up what I heard someone say a few days ago ago that it is the boomer generation in the US who support abortion, Gen Z and Millenials are anti ...

Support drops with age: The Pew poll found support for abortion highest among those ages 18-29 (67% believe should be legal), compared with 61% of those 30-49, 53% of those ages 50-64 and 55% of those ages 65 and up.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=54e11abb2f3a

[bots]

basically, the less likely someone is going to need an abortion the more they are against it