[thesheriff443]

You can be on the spectrum and be a nasty piece of work
One that springs to mind is the autistic guy that stabbed his girlfriend about 26 times to death

My daughter is autistic my partner works in
In a college with special needs

Last week she had a water bottle and a table thrown at her

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can be on the spectrum and be a nasty piece of work
One that springs to mind is the autistic guy that stabbed his girlfriend about 26 times to death

My daughter is autistic my partner works in
In a college with special needs

Last week she had a water bottle and a table thrown at her

There are always exceptions and extremes, and I was saying in general. People on the Autistic spectrum can easily misread situations, feel threatened, become overwhelmed and some can lose their tempers as a result. Some can be targeted endlessly because they are different and others can misunderstand them. Therefore, some do have the potential to cause harm to others, just like every other section of society. In general, though, they do not have the intention to be nasty or devious - they can just find social interactions difficult to navigate.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can be on the spectrum and be a nasty piece of work
One that springs to mind is the autistic guy that stabbed his girlfriend about 26 times to death

My daughter is autistic my partner works in
In a college with special needs

Last week she had a water bottle and a table thrown at her

It is true, but there are exceptions.

Those who are on the autistic spectrum may have behaviours that challenge, more often than not it's a way of communicating.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can be on the spectrum and be a nasty piece of work
One that springs to mind is the autistic guy that stabbed his girlfriend about 26 times to death

My daughter is autistic my partner works in
In a college with special needs

Last week she had a water bottle and a table thrown at her

Of course but she's not been a nasty piece of work. She reserved and quiet which she already explained is because of be8ng on the spectrum

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course but she's not been a nasty piece of work. She reserved and quiet which she already explained is because of be8ng on the spectrum

I never said she was nasty but people making assumptions that it’s because she is on the spectrum that’s the way she is.

To get a good career while being on the spectrum gives me a clear indication that she is only slightly affected by it .

And it’s more of an excuse than an actual problem for her

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I never said she was nasty but people making assumptions that it’s because she is on the spectrum that’s the way she is.



To get a good career while being on the spectrum gives me a clear indication that she is only slightly affected by it .



And it’s more of an excuse than an actual problem for her

That's a big assumption by you, you have no idea how easy or hard it's been for her.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's a big assumption by you, you have no idea how easy or hard it's been for her.

My daughter has autism I’ve spent years around young adults on the spectrum and seen first hand how it affects them
To be on that show tells me all I need to know about how much she is affected by her condition
Being a quiet and reserved person can just be part of someone’s personality

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

My daughter has autism I’ve spent years around young adults on the spectrum and seen first hand how it affects them
To be on that show tells me all I need to know about how much she is affected by her condition
Being a quiet and reserved person can just be part of someone’s personality

So because your daughter is autistic you're psychic about every other autistic person and their experiences?

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I never said she was nasty but people making assumptions that it’s because she is on the spectrum that’s the way she is.

To get a good career while being on the spectrum gives me a clear indication that she is only slightly affected by it .

And it’s more of an excuse than an actual problem for her

I’m a teacher with a specialism in ASD, and have worked closely with people on the spectrum for many years. People on the Asperger’s end of the spectrum can be highly intelligent and have great careers, as they are more likely to have the skills to manage their symptoms more effectively.

However, Autism isn’t about IQ, it’s about difficulties in reading other people, and in navigating social settings and interactions, because they have a very literal understanding of language. I would agree with you that Ali doesn’t have extreme traits of Autism, but I would guarantee her tendencies would still make life confusing and challenging for her.

To say that it is an excuse, rather than an actual problem, shows a total misunderstanding of the condition, which surprises me when you’ve shared that you have a daughter with Autism. Before you judge Ali in this way, perhaps consider if you would like people misjudging or dismissing your child in this way.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I’m a teacher with a specialism in ASD, and have worked closely with people on the spectrum for many years. People on the Asperger’s end of the spectrum can be highly intelligent and have great careers, as they are more likely to have the skills to manage their symptoms more effectively.

However, Autism isn’t about IQ, it’s about difficulties in reading other people, and in navigating social settings and interactions, because they have a very literal understanding of language. I would agree with you that Ali doesn’t have extreme traits of Autism, but I would guarantee her tendencies would still make life confusing and challenging for her.

To say that it is an excuse, rather than an actual problem, shows a total misunderstanding of the condition, which surprises me when you’ve shared that you have a daughter with Autism. Before you judge Ali in this way, perhaps consider if you would like people misjudging or dismissing your child in this way.

My daughter isn’t on a reality television show

As to being judged we all do it every second of the day

Don’t you dare try to undermine my experience of the system and those on it

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

My daughter isn’t on a reality television show

As to being judged we all do it every second of the day

Don’t you dare try to undermine my experience of the system and those on it

I genuinely apologise if it came across as if I was trying to undermine your experience of the system and those in it, as that was never my intention. In fact, I agreed with some of the points you made regarding Ali. Just because I don’t agree with everything you’ve said, or maybe in the way you’ve expressed your views, it doesn’t mean I am attempting to undermine you. I’m just responding from my experience and perspective. I care deeply for people on the Autistic Spectrum, and have, therefore, chosen to dedicate my life to working in this field. That’s why I found it so saddening that you dismissed someone’s Autistic traits as an excuse

People do make judgements on others each and every day, and I don’t dispute that, but judgements can be made with some recognition, understanding and compassion for a person’s diagnosis. Given your circumstances, I’d anticipated that you feel that more deeply than most.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I never said she was nasty but people making assumptions that it’s because she is on the spectrum that’s the way she is.

To get a good career while being on the spectrum gives me a clear indication that she is only slightly affected by it .

And it’s more of an excuse than an actual problem for her

She's not on the autism spectrum though

She has ADHD. There is a difference between the two even though they're both neurological conditions.

[thesheriff443]

Just to add I’m not invested in any one on the show it’s just a watered down version of a once great social experiment

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just to add I’m not invested in any one on the show it’s just a watered down version of a once great social experiment

Same here, I'm just enjoying the Show and the Forum.

[Crimson Dynamo]

73% of Boomer males: "No matter what psychological challenges I face, I will
not let them define me."

72% of Gen Z females: "Mental illness is an important part of my identity."

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

73% of Boomer males: "No matter what psychological challenges I face, I will
not let them define me."

72% of Gen Z females: "Mental illness is an important part of my identity."

Why would anyone let Mental Health issues be a personality trait?

Because essentially your personality is your identity.

[Beso]

It's interesting zizu.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

It's interesting zizu.

Thank you


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[Beso]

I wonder if the parents took drugs in the 90s

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

I wonder if the parents took drugs in the 90s

Well not in my case


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[Maru]

It probably doesn't help the world is ridiculously fast-paced compared to what it used to be. Probably more than it needs to be. And everywhere we turn, something thrown at our feet to worry about or hold anxiety over. Western culture is preoccupied with fear and anxiety these days. If you speak a language that doesn't intersect with the English-speaking world, then it's even more blatant. Everyday, something we must be afraid of... cancer in our bodies, pollutants in the air, financial pressures, climate change... and then people who do have these conditions face their own personal pressures, especially hard at a young age when the brain is still deep in its formation stages... and the younger folk already face waaay too much pressure, imo. Like they're expected to fix things that they certainly are not being given the resources the fix, much less given the space to grow in their own way so that they can even think about tangibly attacking these major problems... much less even basic ones.

I don't think parents or practitioners can really make the world less scary. That's always been a pipe dream. But what we can do is not throw so many obstacles in their way... that's more my concern. I think we the adults need to grow up first before we can start heaping more pressure on the children. I know there's a tendency to pick at the weaknesses in the young, the types of things they're been surrounded by, the habits they're forming... well, guess what, I still hear lots of whinging from just my own generation, and I feel like until that entitlement streak stops, then we can't be major players in assisting the young forward... and if they get it wrong often, well... maybe look in the mirror... we are not great role models, is what I'm trying to say...

This was my TED talk.

Anyway, I don't want to infantilize the HMs. I feel like wherever Ali is neurologically, it's perfectly fine to just judge her as another player in the game. But I guess leave room for strange errors as far as relating to others... on the thread topic, it's not very important to me that she is able to joke or not. With the right company and relationships built in the house, she doesn't need to be the primary entertainment, but a supporting role. We've seen many cases where such an HM makes it through to the final only to grab the win. Whatever I may think of her potential motives (I have her on a solid yellow on the gameplayer radar...), I would not suggest she changes anything about how she's playing the game atm... she's doing really well, in that aspect, because she's forcing us all to guess her actual motives and we're mostly unable to come up with anything. Obviously it's keeping our interest.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Really ... that's interesting, because what about all those kids & teens who are diagnosed on the spectrum,but their parents don't seem to have any of the conditions themselves ? .

But now thinking about it , could it be the parents I'm talking about have never been diagnosed full stop ,or they just don't have the same symptoms etc...but could still be on the spectrum. It's a difficult one.

Maybe more research needs to be done, but I've noticed more & more young people these days are being diagnosed with either autism or ADHD or both.

Both ADHD and Autism are highly genetic, research already suggests up to 80%. There are also other factors at play such as complications during birth.

You also have to account for masking, women do it better than men. It's a coping technique.

I would suggest that the 'parents' have mastered the art of that. I would also say that if you're not very aware of subtle signs it may pass you.

Better diagnosing.... It's quite jew, autism used to be called schizophrenia and they were known as mentally ill patients......a lot of them would bite, you know what they did? They took your teeth out!! You'd be in a psychiatric asylum... I work in the 'industry'.... lve supported older generations and you can see the signs of institutional abuse (guarding their food etc)... Anyway going off on a tangent, but basically we are better equipped to diagnose, although lately you'll be lucky if anything can be done and a diagnosis can take years

Autism really isn't textbook. If you have met one autistic person, then you have met ONE. Yes, there's a lot of similarities, but not always.

It's quite comprehensive.... Then add in co-morbidities.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Both ADHD and Autism are highly genetic, research already suggests up to 80%. There are also other factors at play such as complications during birth.

You also have to account for masking, women do it better than men. It's a coping technique.

I would suggest that the 'parents' have mastered the art of that. I would also say that if you're not very aware of subtle signs it may pass you.

Better diagnosing.... It's quite jew, autism used to be called schizophrenia and they were known as mentally ill patients......a lot of them would bite, you know what they did? They took your teeth out!! You'd be in a psychiatric asylum... I work in the 'industry'.... lve supported older generations and you can see the signs of institutional abuse (guarding their food etc)... Anyway going off on a tangent, but basically we are better equipped to diagnose, although lately you'll be lucky if anything can be done and a diagnosis can take years

Autism really isn't textbook. If you have met one autistic person, then you have met ONE. Yes, there's a lot of similarities, but not always.

It's quite comprehensive.... Then add in co-morbidities.

This is a super summary of Autism and the facts and situation around it. Thank goodness for research and greater understanding - the experiences of the older generation you work with are too heartbreaking to imagine, and just don’t bear thinking about. Discussions like these are so beneficial in raising awareness, and that’s why it’s positive that someone like Ali is on the show.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Garfie

This is a super summary of Autism and the facts and situation around it. Thank goodness for research and greater understanding - the experiences of the older generation you work with are too heartbreaking to imagine, and just don’t bear thinking about. Discussions like these are so beneficial in raising awareness, and that’s why it’s positive that someone like Ali is on the show.

Thank you.

I'm only 33, but some of the stories I've heard from older colleagues who worked the field back then are really shocking.

They'd take your children off you and replace them with a doll.

[Beso]

Only Ali's ADHD has been diagnosed. She has diagnosed herself as having Autistic traits