[Denver]

It's not political because the last winners

Holland
Israel
Portugal
Ukraine
Austria

Dont have major Allies

[Shaun]

We got 3pts from Ireland though... in the televote

For all my defences of Eurovision and the mythological bloc-voting there are definitely some that need a shake up:

1) Belarus' jury were apparently dismissed by Eurovision... but their vote still counted to the total? they were the ones who voted for literally every of the 10 countries that were last at the time Idk wtf happened there.
2) Greece/Cyprus need to be sanctioned, their voting statistics are HIGHLY suspect lmao. As of 2018, Greece received a total of 324pts from Cyprus. Their next highest "friend" is Spain... on 119pts and the other way, Cyprus have taken 283pts from Greece. Their next highest total? Malta and the UK... on 88pts There's just not enough done about this obvious BS. Usually their songs are strong enough to merit it, or we just turn the other cheek... but it's ridiculous.
3) The Yugoslav bloc is the biggest problem, with Serbia/Montenegro/Macedonia all voting for each other religiously. Kosovo aren't yet a competitor but you can expect them to join in if they can.
4) Similar to the Greek/Cypriot issue, there is a tiresome dependability on Denmark and Sweden trading top marks for each other, but as I said, theirs are usually 2 of the best entries anyway.

Otherwise there isn't really much of an issue... we can't whinge about neighbour voting when we expect points from Ireland and our ex-pats in Australia, Malta and Spain every year.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Shaun

We got 3pts from Ireland though... in the televote

For all my defences of Eurovision and the mythological bloc-voting there are definitely some that need a shake up:

1) Belarus' jury were apparently dismissed by Eurovision... but their vote still counted to the total? they were the ones who voted for literally every of the 10 countries that were last at the time Idk wtf happened there.
2) Greece/Cyprus need to be sanctioned, their voting statistics are HIGHLY suspect lmao. As of 2018, Greece received a total of 324pts from Cyprus. Their next highest "friend" is Spain... on 119pts and the other way, Cyprus have taken 283pts from Greece. Their next highest total? Malta and the UK... on 88pts There's just not enough done about this obvious BS. Usually their songs are strong enough to merit it, or we just turn the other cheek... but it's ridiculous.
3) The Yugoslav bloc is the biggest problem, with Serbia/Montenegro/Macedonia all voting for each other religiously. Kosovo aren't yet a competitor but you can expect them to join in if they can.
4) Similar to the Greek/Cypriot issue, there is a tiresome dependability on Denmark and Sweden trading top marks for each other, but as I said, theirs are usually 2 of the best entries anyway.

Otherwise there isn't really much of an issue... we can't whinge about neighbour voting when we expect points from Ireland and our ex-pats in Australia, Malta and Spain every year.

Very true.

I'd create blocks of countries where youd not be allowed to vote on others in the same block as your country.

[Denver]

The Belarusian Jurt vote was a made up vote by the organisers

[Crimson Dynamo]

LEW-ROVISION Lewis Capaldi urged to enter Eurovision as UK’s 2020 entry with Twitter fans convinced he’d win

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/tva...-2020-twitter/

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

LEW-ROVISION Lewis Capaldi urged to enter Eurovision as UK’s 2020 entry with Twitter fans convinced he’d win

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/tva...-2020-twitter/

as if he gets selected by BBC

he has too much artistic freedom, which the BBC doesn't like

[sleleen]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

LEW-ROVISION Lewis Capaldi urged to enter Eurovision as UK’s 2020 entry with Twitter fans convinced he’d win

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/tva...-2020-twitter/

seems like the type to do it actually, but no thanks the uk need to finally send a bop, i’d accept no mid tempo or ballad!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by SlayBB

seems like the type to do it actually, but no thanks the uk need to finally send a bop, i’d accept no mid tempo or ballad!

it must be a bop then what BBC chooses themselves, not the artist since artists for uk don't have rights for artistic freedom

[brat.]

four of diamonds are coming

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is the type of song that would win it for the UK - we need to be thinking like this

Youtube video

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This is the type of song that would win it for the UK - we need to be thinking like this

Youtube video

i would never vote for UK

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i would never vote for UK

Why?

If we sent a genuinely wonderful song you liked you wouldn't vote for us based on what?

[TwentyOneThrones]

Ok hi so just some opinions. I loved the Netherlands entry, but didn't think it was win worthy, having said that I'm not against it winning congrats to them.

I honestly think Australia was my favourite and was surprised it didnt even make it into the top 3 I thought it was that good. Other ppl saw differently maybe.

Best message in a song would probably be France or Italy for me.

The BBC did much better on the promotion side before the show itself so I'm glad about that. I accept we cant do anything that well in the show until the Brexit thing gets buried. Fair play to Michael, but also I preferred freaks at the selection show

Iceland and Madonna bringing the obvious issue to the foreground of the show makes me glad it wasnt just swept under the rug.

Overall a good year and I'm gonna try and get to next years show

[Shaun]

Brexit has had no impact on our performance: Lucie Jones literally went the year after the vote with a song called "I Will Never Give Up On You" and still did reasonably well, finishing 15th. Admittedly, we were screwed over by the televote (just 12pts of our 111 total were from the public) but this was a strong year (Occidentali's Karma, Amor Pelos Dois, I Can't Go On, Beautiful Mess, City Lights, Hey Mamma!, Yodel It!)

The year after, we really could've capitalised on the sympathy vote with the stage invasion but SuRie had to be a pussy but otherwise it was a weak song with a basic message. And we've been sending those long before the referendum result.

[TwentyOneThrones]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Brexit has had no impact on our performance: Lucie Jones literally went the year after the vote with a song called "I Will Never Give Up On You" and still did reasonably well, finishing 15th. Admittedly, we were screwed over by the televote (just 12pts of our 111 total were from the public) but this was a strong year (Occidentali's Karma, Amor Pelos Dois, I Can't Go On, Beautiful Mess, City Lights, Hey Mamma!, Yodel It!)

The year after, we really could've capitalised on the sympathy vote with the stage invasion but SuRie had to be a pussy but otherwise it was a weak song with a basic message. And we've been sending those long before the referendum result.

Honestly I forget Brexits been that long bc it's still in the foreground of all of our politics and I was hoping it wouldnt have lasted that long but omg

[reece(:]

Of course his family will blame Brexit, they can't say him and his song are ****

[sleleen]

Remember when Poland won last night

[Shaun]

Current UK iTunes chart positions:

#3 - Norway
#6 - Netherlands
#20 - Azerbaijan
#22 - Switzerland
#23 - Sweden
#29 - Italy
#37 - Australia
#38 - Estonia
#41 - Czech Republic
#42 - Denmark
#53 - Cyprus
#56 - Another version of Norway
#62 - Malta
#67 - Russia
#68 - Iceland
#73 - Netta with Nana Banana
#74 - Spain
#81 - Mans with Heroes
#91 - Belarus
#104 - Netta with Toy
#106 - Slovenia
#128 - Greece
#147 - Eleni Foureira - Fuego
#172 - San Marino

and nothing for Serbia, France, Germany, North Macedonia, Albania or Israel.

Ignoring our own because it's at #17 and we're obviously gonna support our own... although this further backs up my point: Lucie Jones was the first to chart even in our own country since Blue back in 2011. If we can't even listen to our own song, why should Europe vote for it?

[Shaun]

I'm really surprised by Norway cracking the top 10, let alone #3 and above the actual winner we stan the public winners

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I'm really surprised by Norway cracking the top 10, let alone #3 and above the actual winner we stan the public winners

Well the public gave them the 12

[Crimson Dynamo]

[thisisdanny]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Wasn't it 253 points?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by thisisdanny

Wasn't it 253 points?

253pts would've caused a tie.

[Nicky91]

Duncan from least popular artist here to hero

my parents didn't believe in him at his reveal some months, and i did

[sleleen]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Duncan from least popular artist here to hero

my parents didn't believe in him at his reveal some months, and i did

He was the bookies fave since day one.......