[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kulafey

I was more offended that your comment to me concluded with the word "pathetic" - inflammatory to say the least. I happen to have a deep distaste for violence against women- I work in a women's refuge. I'm actually there now and earlier everyone where I work agreed we would all email Channel 5 with our complaints. You may find it pathetic, but we wanted to make our feelings clear. If nobody reads it, fine. But if enough people emailed them, they would have to take note.

The 'pathetic' was actually directed at the Digital Spy forums which you suggested were calling for Emma to be sacked (which I do happen to find pathetic and grossly over the top), so it wasn't directed at you, it was at DS because I know what posters over there are like.

And I'm not surprised you do, who doesn't? There's very few people who wouldn't have a deep distaste for such a thing, and I am certainly not one of them which is why I am so offended at you making such an accusation.

If you want to email C5, fine...good luck with it, just don't accuse me of not being offended by violence against women because when you don't know me and have no idea of my beliefs and opinions on such issues that's highly insulting

[CaudleHalbard]

I suspect C5 have already made a policy decision, at senior level, that they are not going to apportion blame. Quite likely, they took advice from their lawyers.

Emma had to act on accordance with that decision so it is ludicrous to blame her or make her the target.

Well-intentioned bumbling may make people feel better but it achieves very little, usually.

[reece(:]

....Some people never cease to amaze:

"Catching up on last nyts big brother, what the actual ****?! Poor Daley #BBUK"

"Poor Daley get him back in and get Hazel out, she should have been removed she started it and was laughing during it al #bbuk"

"Awww poor Daley was hazels fault not his !!! #BBUK #BBUK Daley"

"Awwww I love daley!♥i forgive him for everything! #bbuk"

"I love hazel but she's a *****bagggggggggg for my baby daley's removal #BBUK"

"I wish I could put my hands through my t.v and strangle that lying bitch hazel #BBUK"

"Just caught up on #bbuk poor Daley, I'm very sad but at least he's out of the witches grasp now! #hatehazel @bbuk"

"I think Daley was innocent they wer playing #BBUK removed him cos the public feel uncomfortable watching the two. Hazels a snake anyway"

"Daley you're absolutely right nt mentioning tht slugs name cos she'll just jinx you,she has bad evil blood #bbuk good luck in evrythng u do"

"really feel so sorry for daley @bbuk"

"I've just seen this whole Daley/Hazel thing (haven't watched BB since it left C4) Daley did nothing wrong."

"People seriously need 2 lighten up on daley, hazel is pure poison!! #TeamDaley"

"I don't understand how Daley got kicked out?"

"@JonCarlosGuerra @IamDaleyStar u shut up he didnt do anything wrong
he was provoked"

"@alexcollierGB @IamDaleyStar he was messing about anybody with any sense could see that..she gave as gud As she got! She played on it..sly"

"@IamDaleyStar its disgusting that she got away with what she did! She was egging you on! #TeamDaley all the way! @bbuk #WhatsGoodForTheGoose"

"Aww I actually feel sorry for daley just wonna give him a cuddle bless him"

"Feel soooo sorry for Daley! His side over hazels on this one! #controversial"

"Rate Daley so much his so real and if he has any flaws it's that his just a typical normal bloke #BBUK"

"put Daley back in and get hazel out"

"I think Daley is a legend #shortfuse"

"Who do u feel sorry for more daley or hazel? — Daley tbh. http://ask.fm/a/5251bfk0 "

"I say put daley in take hazel out ��"

[CaudleHalbard]

Sounds like Daley sent down quite well with the public then!

Hazel well be livid to see he's stolen a march on her. She's locked away while he's free to give out his story and version of events.

[kefln]

Scary. Disturbing. Very worrying

[reece(:]

But the proof was in the pudding... the footage showed him looking sadistic and clutching his hands around her throat. These people probably support Chris Brown too.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Some men, when they have got a pretty face, big tits and a firm ass constantly in their face do not have the strength of character to back off. She held the power, and she should not have acted in the way that she did.

a true man would have told her to back off, hes not a man, hes a silly little aggressive boy who can't control his cock.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by reece(:

But the proof was in the pudding... the footage showed him looking sadistic and clutching his hands around her throat. These people probably support Chris Brown too.

These are the people that call her a homewrecker, but dont have an issue with him cheating

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Emmyasdfghjkl

a true man would have told her to back off, hes not a man, hes a silly little aggressive boy who can't control his cock.

A real man would never blame the girl for his aggression

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by kefln

A real man would never blame the girl for his aggression

He was careful not to openly blame her. He said he took full responsibility for his actions. But it was all done in a way which would not lay him open to legal action.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Yes it did look a bit awkward but she did not hesitate to do it. Not the actions of a terrified assault victim, however benevolently one might want to look at it.

It could certainly be presented against Hazel were she ever to want to take things further, e.g. legally. Which, once she sees that Daley has gone to the media with his story, she just might.

Why does Hazel need to be a frightened mouse sitting in the corner for what Daley did to be wrong?

No one's saying she's a terrified woman scarred for life, but in that moment the night before he scared her. As she said, she believed they were flirting and then got confused and scared when it went from flirting to serious.

Judging by her attitude Hazel wishes him well and wouldn't take any legal action.

As for the interview, I don't think Emma was condoning his behaviour, as someone else said you'd be forgiven for thinking he was being interviewed for being unfaithful to his girlfriend. The constant reference to his "lovely girlfriend", two to tango etc. all of this was besides the point and completely pushed the actual issue to the side.

We already knew he was a cheating prick. The interview was supposed to be about his altercation with Hazel but it was glossed over.

[Pink Pegasus]

Oh not sure where to even begin!

I was all set to hear Daley's side of the story, give him the benefit of the doubt that he was truly sorry etc.
A forum member called Toy Soldier has made some great posts earlier today which I mainly agreed with.

The giving him the benefit of the doubt side of me felt along the lines that maybe the two of them were just engaging in a bit of flirting and rough flirting but that Daley took it too far. Hazel got frightened, but Daley was not even aware at the time that he had crossed the line and still felt he was just playing an aggressive 'role' as part of their flirting.
Yes he was still completely in the wrong for crossing that line and becoming scary to a woman who didn't know him well enough to know that he wouldn't really hurt her, and therefore it was correct that he was removed from the house. Hazel even said tonight that he is a really decent guy and that she didn't want to see him get labelled as something nasty because of this.

So yeah, I was all set to buy that explanation, hear his side and for him to have his chance to apologise.

What I ended up seeing disgusted me.

All he did was apologise to any woman who may have been offended by what they saw, no mention of the men who were upset at what they saw, and most importantly of all, not even the tiniest bit of an apology for how his actions made Hazel feel!

He still looks absolutely fuming at Hazel and said he won't even waste his breath on her. Wtf like? Why the hell has he got so much anger towards her?

If he was really not a violent bloke, would he not be mortified that he caused a woman he liked to be afraid?
Even if Hazel seemed okay afterwards.
Even if they were both playing and he felt it was completely unintentional, any decent person would still apologise.

If I was having say for example a jokey slagging match with a friend and I said something that cut a bit too close to the bone. Even if they pretended it was ok, but I later found out that I had in fact hurt their feelings I would be so sorry and would apologise straight away to them.

I can't understand why Daley isn't sorry for frightening Hazel or why he won't apologise. I can see why he didn't apologise in the house because she didn't tell him how she felt, but surely now that he has seen the footage and seen that she was scared and maybe just afraid to bring it up with him, - how can he not feel sorry for that?
Sorry but that proves to me he is a nasty person. He has no remorse for upsetting a woman he claimed to have feelings for.

All he did tonight was was try to garner sympathy of everyone, and to give excuse after excuse for anything wrong he has done in the house.
On one hand he kept saying he had to "man up and take responsibility" for his actions, yet on the other hand he blamed the amount he had to drink, and blamed Hazel for him "crossing lines" when it came to their earlier flirting.

I believe he is lying about the amount he had to drink. I have said this repeatedly that Hazel said in the life feed "you shouldn't be drunk on 2 glasses of champagne and a mojito" and he only argued that who was she to say what amount should make him drunk. Maybe I misheard her, or maybe she meant to say 2 bottles of champagne? I personally don't believe that BB would have allowed Daley to drink 4 individual drinks and 2 bottles of champagne to himself. Absolute bull, and it's funny how sober he was going to the diary room.

As for the **** about him saying that he kept asking Hazel "as a woman" was he crossing any lines with their earlier flirting and she said no. So fcking what about what Hazel said! He knew perfectly well that he went so far with Hazel that "the line" was only a distant fcking memory at some point.
I have never been a fan of Hazel, I found her flirting horrible, yes I know she's single but I still didn't agree with her flirting.
BUT it was NOT Hazel's responsibility to inform him as to whether or not he was crossing lines. He's a grown man who knew already himself exactly what he was doing.

Before I was unsure - the LF from that night made me think he was acting like a weirdo and his behaviour would have made me personally feel uncomfortable but I wasn't sure if they were just flirting?
From what I have seen tonight though I am no longer sure that what happened was just a bit of flirting gone much too far.
Tonight I have seen a nasty streak in him due to him having no remorse to Hazel, and he just comes across as nasty, and spineless to me now.

I watched it on +1 and it just made me so mad that he wasn't even asked after he apologised to the viewers, "but what about Hazel?"

I repeat I am not a fan of Hazel but I did feel sorry for her tonight. I'll no doubt be cross with her again when she's mean to Gina but she is not in the wrong here for getting afraid.

Really sorry for the long post, I had to vent my frustration.
Going to bed now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by xPinkpegasusx

Oh not sure where to even begin!

I was all set to hear Daley's side of the story, give him the benefit of the doubt that he was truly sorry etc.
A forum member called Toy Soldier has made some great posts earlier today which I mainly agreed with.

The giving him the benefit of the doubt side of me felt along the lines that maybe the two of them were just engaging in a bit of flirting and rough flirting but that Daley took it too far. Hazel got frightened, but Daley was not even aware at the time that he had crossed the line and still felt he was just playing an aggressive 'role' as part of their flirting.
Yes he was still completely in the wrong for crossing that line and becoming scary to a woman who didn't know him well enough to know that he wouldn't really hurt her, and therefore it was correct that he was removed from the house. Hazel even said tonight that he is a really decent guy and that she didn't want to see him get labelled as something nasty because of this.

So yeah, I was all set to buy that explanation, hear his side and for him to have his chance to apologise.

What I ended up seeing disgusted me.

All he did was apologise to any woman who may have been offended by what they saw, no mention of the men who were upset at what they saw, and most importantly of all, not even the tiniest bit of an apology for how his actions made Hazel feel!

He still looks absolutely fuming at Hazel and said he won't even waste his breath on her. Wtf like? Why the hell has he got so much anger towards her?

If he was really not a violent bloke, would he not be mortified that he caused a woman he liked to be afraid?
Even if Hazel seemed okay afterwards.
Even if they were both playing and he felt it was completely unintentional, any decent person would still apologise.

If I was having say for example a jokey slagging match with a friend and I said something that cut a bit too close to the bone. Even if they pretended it was ok, but I later found out that I had in fact hurt their feelings I would be so sorry and would apologise straight away to them.

I can't understand why Daley isn't sorry for frightening Hazel or why he won't apologise. I can see why he didn't apologise in the house because she didn't tell him how she felt, but surely now that he has seen the footage and seen that she was scared and maybe just afraid to bring it up with him, - how can he not feel sorry for that?
Sorry but that proves to me he is a nasty person. He has no remorse for upsetting a woman he claimed to have feelings for.

All he did tonight was was try to garner sympathy of everyone, and to give excuse after excuse for anything wrong he has done in the house.
On one hand he kept saying he had to "man up and take responsibility" for his actions, yet on the other hand he blamed the amount he had to drink, and blamed Hazel for him "crossing lines" when it came to their earlier flirting.

I believe he is lying about the amount he had to drink. I have said this repeatedly that Hazel said in the life feed "you shouldn't be drunk on 2 glasses of champagne and a mojito" and he only argued that who was she to say what amount should make him drunk. Maybe I misheard her, or maybe she meant to say 2 bottles of champagne? I personally don't believe that BB would have allowed Daley to drink 4 individual drinks and 2 bottles of champagne to himself. Absolute bull, and it's funny how sober he was going to the diary room.

As for the **** about him saying that he kept asking Hazel "as a woman" was he crossing any lines with their earlier flirting and she said no. So fcking what about what Hazel said! He knew perfectly well that he went so far with Hazel that "the line" was only a distant fcking memory at some point.
I have never been a fan of Hazel, I found her flirting horrible, yes I know she's single but I still didn't agree with her flirting.
BUT it was NOT Hazel's responsibility to inform him as to whether or not he was crossing lines. He's a grown man who knew already himself exactly what he was doing.

Before I was unsure - the LF from that night made me think he was acting like a weirdo and his behaviour would have made me personally feel uncomfortable but I wasn't sure if they were just flirting?
From what I have seen tonight though I am no longer sure that what happened was just a bit of flirting gone much too far.
Tonight I have seen a nasty streak in him due to him having no remorse to Hazel, and he just comes across as nasty, and spineless to me now.

I watched it on +1 and it just made me so mad that he wasn't even asked after he apologised to the viewers, "but what about Hazel?"

I repeat I am not a fan of Hazel but I did feel sorry for her tonight. I'll no doubt be cross with her again when she's mean to Gina but she is not in the wrong here for getting afraid.

Really sorry for the long post, I had to vent my frustration.
Going to bed now.

Thankyou for that and I echo your sentiments totally!

[CaudleHalbard]

I think Daley is genuinely aggrieved at the way he has been treated by BB and feels he is the actual victim.

Sounds like he has a proportion of the public, maybe even quite a high one, is on his side for now.

You have to bear in mind Hazel was loathed, so relatively few are minded to give her the benefit of any doubt.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kulafey

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

no hes not and neither is emma? what on earth are you on about?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What a load of sexist bollox, Hazel is to blame because she's attractive and flirted with him and the poor man couldn't cope with that? Give me a ****ing break. He has no self control, that's 100% his fault, no one elses

yourecbeing sexist she pulled his pants down on national tv? that's sexual assaault

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

What on earth does that have to do with anything I have posted in this thread and also can't you debate a topic without getting personal?

Let me make this clear.

The OP of this thread states that Daley layed all the blame on Hazel during his interview and that isn't true which is what I posted in reply.

So why are you bringing up the strangling thing?

I have posted my opinion in plenty of threads about the assault.

she \actually put her hands round his throat too

[the truth]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

I'm still shocked Hazel is getting the blame from some people, yes she is guilty of being a big old flirt but how anyone can think that makes her deserve to be pinned down and clearly scared and intimidated by somebody?

he was intimidated too, he didn't have the mental capacity to deal with a highly pressurised situation

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kefln

So when hazel gets evicted, in front of a braying crowd out for her blood, will she get the same respect and time to relay her story? Will she be allowed to blame everything else but herself? Will she be allowed to talk about how hard her life has been?

Im guessing no. The guy who gets the boot will be given every chance to tell the world his story. But the girl will be "branded"

Shocking turn of events

biased sexist drivel

[YodaBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

she \actually put her hands round his throat too

That was clearly self defense, she reacted to him doing it to her, she was clearly uncomfortable and was pushing him away.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I think Daley is genuinely aggrieved at the way he has been treated by BB and feels he is the actual victim.

Sounds like he has a proportion of the public, maybe even quite a high one, is on his side for now.

You have to bear in mind Hazel was loathed, so relatively few are minded to give her the benefit of any doubt.

Sociopath...

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by the truth

biased sexist drivel

I'm taking your view as anyone who makes a valid point defending Hazel = sexist. Give me a break.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

he was intimidated too, he didn't have the mental capacity to deal with a highly pressurised situation

Then why did he not remove himself from the situation? Because that would mean relinquishing the control of the situation.... There was no way he was going to do that was there?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by the truth

biased sexist drivel

Yawn...

[YodaBB]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I'm taking your view as anyone who makes a valid point defending Hazel = sexist. Give me a break.

I genuinely thought he meant sexist the other way round with his post
As in it's shocking how Daley is getting so much sympathy & Hazel won't, as in sexist against Women. Was he not?

Anyway, Hazel does not come across as a nice lady eyeing up a taken man but I think everyones in agreement that she did not deserve what happened to her. I feel bad for Daley too, he seems so damaged & I hope he gets the help he needs.