[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sorry but watching the crimewatch thing and hearing for the first time about Madeleine saying to her mother the night before she went missing 'why didn't you come when I was crying last night'...well lets just say it takes an incredibly cold person to leave their child again the night after that.

I had obviously heard the reports of the neighbour before(crying for an hour and half...now when were those checks? ), but I did not know the child herself actually questioned her parents on it and they STILL went out on the piss and left her alone.

Its little things like this that make me have little sympathy for the McCanns.

Exactly

[Livia]

Originally Posted by InOne

Those were compared by the media at the time. And she was locked in a room and drugged to keep her from leaving or know what's going on. So it's not like she could leave at any time.

Hello

Yes, but it was her mother that did it!

That little pipe guy always makes me laugh.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well I'm sure they'd do things differently if they had the chance to go back. It's rather hard-hearted not to have a modicum of sympathy at all for a family who's lost a little girl, despite the obvious mistakes that were made.

Well I am also of the opinion that they did not 'lose' a little girl, not in the sense that the news tries to make out anyway. But I tend to try to not get into that side of things.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, but it was her mother that did it!

That little pipe guy always makes me laugh.

She planned it but it was the others involved who were the ones who drugged her and kept her against her will. Karen Matthews had to pretend to be the grieving mother in order to get the money. Which thankfully she failed miserably at because even her friends knew something was up.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ben Needham disappeared twenty five years ago. Maybe when Madeleine's been missing for that long it won't be front page news anymore. His mother funded a campaign in the same way the McCanns are doing. Honestly, I think this is a case of inverted snobbery. Do they deserve harsher treatment because they're middle class? Ben Needham disappeared without trace, left alone playing in the garden of his grandparents' house aged 21 months. Is that not neglect?

If Madeleine had been from a family who lived off benefits on a council estate what the hell would they be doing in Portugal at a tapas bar? And honestly, if the McCanns, obviously eaten up with grief, had been done for neglect, the country would have been outraged.

Completely different scenarios IMO but I don't want to take this thread off topic too much with discussing Ben's case..however what does it matter how long it's been since someone disappeared? surely a parent will never stop trying to find them which was my point when I replied to Caitlin earlier in the thread, I don't think people think there's anything bad about the case being kept in the media as such but all similar cases should be dealt with by the media in the same way.

And no theres no inverted snobbery here at all, everyone should be treated the same way regardless of their background...and I think the McCanns were given preferential treatment because of their class.

[Z]

Yeah as Vicky says, the fact they openly admit that the night before Madeleine had told them she was upset because they were alone just highlights how terrible their parenting was on that holiday. I mean, I think I can understand it even if I think it's totally appalling - they've got 3 kids, they're doctors, they have long, busy days and a lot of stress to deal with and going on holiday is a time to relax. They have kids so they can't properly relax during the day but they can't wait for the night time when they can put the kids to bed and go out and enjoy some 'them' time. Maybe they sedate the kids to speed up the process and then slip out to go see their friends. I can see how all those things add up to two parents thinking it's okay to leave two babies and a toddler unattended in an unlocked room in a foreign country. I still think it's despicable and they should have been punished for doing that, it is because of their gross negligence that Madeleine was kidnapped... if she indeed was ever kidnapped and wasn't murdered or accidentally died and it was covered up by them. The holiday resort had care facilities for parents to leave the kids supervised somewhere or have babysitters come round or whatever; but they decided not to do that. It's their fault that the opportunity presented itself for someone to kidnap Madeleine. 100%.

[Marsh.]

The McCann's made a mistake, but they made it twice which makes it less sympathetic.

Going out after you know your child was left crying and all alone is making the same mistake twice and I find it completely bizarre.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Z

Yeah as Vicky says, the fact they openly admit that the night before Madeleine had told them she was upset because they were alone just highlights how terrible their parenting was on that holiday. I mean, I think I can understand it even if I think it's totally appalling - they've got 3 kids, they're doctors, they have long, busy days and a lot of stress to deal with and going on holiday is a time to relax. They have kids so they can't properly relax during the day but they can't wait for the night time when they can put the kids to bed and go out and enjoy some 'them' time. Maybe they sedate the kids to speed up the process and then slip out to go see their friends. I can see how all those things add up to two parents thinking it's okay to leave two babies and a toddler unattended in an unlocked room in a foreign country. I still think it's despicable and they should have been punished for doing that, it is because of their gross negligence that Madeleine was kidnapped... if she indeed was ever kidnapped and wasn't murdered or accidentally died and it was covered up by them. The holiday resort had care facilities for parents to leave the kids supervised somewhere or have babysitters come round or whatever; but they decided not to do that. It's their fault that the opportunity presented itself for someone to kidnap Madeleine. 100%.

They dumped the kids in the creche from morning til late afternoon, only picking them up for dinner inbetween creche breaks

[Z]

Ugh wasn't even aware of that Vicky... yeah I agree Marsh, it's not like it was a one off mistake they made, they've admitted that they did it the night before! That's why I consider them to be guilty of something - negligence at best; murder/manslaughter at worst. There was no thought paid to the wellbeing of their children on more than one occasion, they should be punished accordingly as this is all common knowledge.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Read more here
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world...rested-2366183


Would be one of the biggest shocks ever if this girl had to be found alive.

^^ total and utter BS

[Kizzy]

I don't think she will be either, they were accountable though that's my view.. and however sorry I feel for them that is a fact.

[Kizzy]

Excavations are due to begin near the site where Madeleine McCann vanished from, it has been reported.

Scotland Yard has been given the approval to begin digging up sites, just days after the seventh anniversary of her disappearance.

Madeleine, who was then nearly four, went missing from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal's Algarve on May 3 2007, as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...?ncid=webmail1

[Z]

Think it's a bit appalling that they didn't do this at the time...

[Kizzy]

Wonder if they'll find that fridge?...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wonder if they'll find that fridge?...

That fridge will be long gone Kizzy,why wasn't that followed up? some very strange things do not add up with this ,do they?

[Kizzy]

That is the big question kaz, no they don't at all.

[Vicky.]

I wonder where the info has came from..I cant see SY/PJ randomly digging up places tbh. Unless a body (or something else...) is found, its going to be utterly useless, and very expensive. So IMO they must be pretty sure they are going to find something

[Vicky.]

Just LOL. Sorry but..the portuguese press are reporting that our police will be using high tech gear, which is good. However they are also reporting that our police will be using...cadaver dogs. Given the past connections of dogs with this case..can't see Gerry being too happy about this


Also

A friend of the McCanns told the paper they are not specifically looking for a body, but were hoping to rule out possible scenarios out as well as find new information.

You cannot rule out a scenario by NOT finding a body surely? Especially if you only dig at three sites...maybe if you dug up the whole world or something but not from this. And what else would they be digging for if not a body

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Just LOL. Sorry but..the portuguese press are reporting that our police will be using high tech gear, which is good. However they are also reporting that our police will be using...cadaver dogs. Given the past connections of dogs with this case..can't see Gerry being too happy about this

Oh fgs, after all the discrediting of them by the McCanns in the past.

Quite interested to see if anything comes of all this tbh.

[Livia]

I'm hoping they're going to send a team from TiBB to get to the bottom of this once and for all.

[AnnieK]

Even if they find a body though, all it is going to prove after all this time is that poor Maddie is dead which the majority of people believe anyway. Finding a body is not going to answer any of the questions that have already been posed for the last 7 years....obviously Maddie will be able to be laid to rest but the police will be no nearer to solving the case, I can't see much forensic evidence being found so far on down the line.

[Z]

If they find the body at least they can put most of the media circus to rest.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Even if they find a body though, all it is going to prove after all this time is that poor Maddie is dead which the majority of people believe anyway. Finding a body is not going to answer any of the questions that have already been posed for the last 7 years....obviously Maddie will be able to be laid to rest but the police will be no nearer to solving the case, I can't see much forensic evidence being found so far on down the line.

You never know, it'd be a whole lot more evidence then what they've got so far anyway, that's for sure!

[Vicky.]

According to ITV news..the dogs are going in tomorrow.

I don't understand why? When in this investigation dogs findings are totally disregarded...if they are as unreliable as we are led to believe, why use them again in the same investigation

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

According to ITV news..the dogs are going in tomorrow.

I don't understand why? When in this investigation dogs findings are totally disregarded...if they are as unreliable as we are led to believe, why use them again in the same investigation

Just watching this on the news,it's all so strange,and yes,Vicky that's a good point,what is the point of dogs 7 years after the event?