[Ammi]

...I tend to agree with Jack and what he’s said ..(..great to see you posting, Jack....)..’people respond to how they’re treated’ is very true...and that’s exactly what happened.....Andrew responded to Ann questioning his mum’s ‘pride’ through any of his behaviour in the house and that is absolutely not there for her to question..it crossed a boundary for more ‘unacceptable’ than any terminology Andrew may have used in response...not that he maybe held her in much respect anyway, but with what she said it’s easy to see why he felt she merited no respect at all...and so yeah, he responded in the name calling...maybe not the best response, I agree..but at least that response was directed at and only ‘judging’ Ann...which is not what she did, she had assumed the speaking for his family or a family member, someone he obviously loves and whose opinion he would hold very dear...even if she had been a mother herself and had said...oh I’m just saying to try to say how that would make me feel..?....that would still be wrong and not for her to say what any other mum would find pride in or ‘shame’ in, in the way she did with Andrew...it’s kind of really one of the lowest of the lows...and for me, much worse behaviour than his reaction...I mean, no matter how much Ann may have annoyed in the house through anything she’s said or any of her actions etc...whatever the age or any other factor, no one in the house has ever said to her...oh, your friends would be ashamed of you or not very proud of you, so think on...the annoyance/disapproval Ann felt toward Andrew should have only ever been directed at Andrew and no mention of his family should have ever been...with the ‘older’ and ‘younger’ thing...Yeah Andrew’s reaction may have been more explosive/not that cool, calm, collected Ann.....but what Ann said in her cruel assumption of judgement from his mum...showed really that ‘age’ itself and only that alone is not a factor in earning respect...

[Lissey]

Youtube video

I always think of this clip when I see the word Homophobe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c

[Natawho]

Originally Posted by Jack_

TLDR

Do you want to be friends

[clairefromsomewhereinnort]

more important is why is she getting backed for it when there isn't a positive to it cos she s not encouraging conflict cos she holds people back most people daren t be open and show themselves open up to provide entertainment for show cos they daren t stand up against the bigot.

Its not just her bigotry either she s got a history of turning her head away from girls being abused in Rotherham when she was Shadow Home Secretary, of turning her Head away from Tory and Establishment Child Abusers and for not saying anything standing up to Tories deliberately attacking the genuinely disabled and mentally ill with them only not officially protecting the Mental Health department.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Lissey

Youtube video

I always think of this clip when I see the word Homophobe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c

There's a problem with the clip, its not played .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's a problem with the clip, its not played .

Youtube video

...hopefully that might be it, GoldHeart...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Youtube video

...hopefully that might be it, GoldHeart...

OMG!! , best twist at the end ! . Made the stereotype idiot look embarrassing .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I have to disagree Jack

If you need to discuss something with an older person, it is not hard to put it in a polite manner to them. If they agree or disagree, discuss in a manner which is not patronizing towards them either. They will not take umbrage with this, what is so hard in not using profanities every other word unless your vocabulary is limited. Being young is no excuse either, everyone knows what is right or wrong.

People respond to how they are treated, all ages the same. Why you felt the need to call Ann ****ing Widdicombe when she has never sworn at anyone in the house or felt the need to because she can quite easily get her point across without using profanities, is not her problem but the person who is using it.

I am sick to the back teeth of all this homophobic nonsense being aimed at anyone who doesn't toe the Gay Cause line. I couldn't care less who sleeps with who, Gay, straight, men, women, whatever, whoever and their dog. What I do not want to see is blatant exhibitioning in front of the cameras for airtime between two people who only want to be famous and will only be famous for five minutes.

I am sure Ann didn't want to see it either and she is allowed to say so. Just the same as she removes herself from the room so others can enjoy themselves late at night. She did remove herself from the room every evening, so how is that her censoring others.

If the general public agreed with Andrew, he would still be there but he was booted out first. They have kept Ann in every time she was nominated against India, Maggie and she had the most votes.

Both Johnny and Daniel wanted her to win tonight, does that sound as if they had anything against her?

So it seems she is not the most hated, or she is the most boring but she is one of the most POPULAR persons in there at the moment, whether you like it or not.
Even with her views, even with her track record and even at her age.

Think on.

Great and accurate post poppsywoppy I don't know why people think it makes them look tough swearing like a trooper to get their point across,it just shows a lack of education and Andrew is definately uneducated

[Lissey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Youtube video

...hopefully that might be it, GoldHeart...

Thank you, yes that is it.
I couldn't get it to load properly.

[Lilac hills]

Are people still calling Ann a homophobe lmaoooo

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I tend to agree with Jack and what he’s said ..(..great to see you posting, Jack....)..’people respond to how they’re treated’ is very true...and that’s exactly what happened.....Andrew responded to Ann questioning his mum’s ‘pride’ through any of his behaviour in the house and that is absolutely not there for her to question..it crossed a boundary for more ‘unacceptable’ than any terminology Andrew may have used in response...not that he maybe held her in much respect anyway, but with what she said it’s easy to see why he felt she merited no respect at all...and so yeah, he responded in the name calling...maybe not the best response, I agree..but at least that response was directed at and only ‘judging’ Ann...which is not what she did, she had assumed the speaking for his family or a family member, someone he obviously loves and whose opinion he would hold very dear...even if she had been a mother herself and had said...oh I’m just saying to try to say how that would make me feel..?....that would still be wrong and not for her to say what any other mum would find pride in or ‘shame’ in, in the way she did with Andrew...it’s kind of really one of the lowest of the lows...and for me, much worse behaviour than his reaction...I mean, no matter how much Ann may have annoyed in the house through anything she’s said or any of her actions etc...whatever the age or any other factor, no one in the house has ever said to her...oh, your friends would be ashamed of you or not very proud of you, so think on...the annoyance/disapproval Ann felt toward Andrew should have only ever been directed at Andrew and no mention of his family should have ever been...with the ‘older’ and ‘younger’ thing...Yeah Andrew’s reaction may have been more explosive/not that cool, calm, collected Ann.....but what Ann said in her cruel assumption of judgement from his mum...showed really that ‘age’ itself and only that alone is not a factor in earning respect...

Don't 100% agree with this ammi. She didnt actually shame they woukd feel ashamed, she just said remember they are watching, it was andrew who later said Ann's family would and should feel ashamed of her. I agree however that family members should not be brought up, but Andrew's reaction was beyond extreme

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Don't 100% agree with this ammi. She didnt actually shame they woukd feel ashamed, she just said remember they are watching, it was andrew who later said Ann's family would and should feel ashamed of her. I agree however that family members should not be brought up, but Andrew's reaction was beyond extreme

...yeah Annie...that’s why I put ashamed in single quotations ....because it’s not what Ann actually said, more what she was inferring...that she felt his behaviour required a reminder to consider his family...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Don't 100% agree with this ammi. She didnt actually shame they woukd feel ashamed, she just said remember they are watching, it was andrew who later said Ann's family would and should feel ashamed of her. I agree however that family members should not be brought up, but Andrew's reaction was beyond extreme

That's absolutely right, she just said they were watching. Andrew, as always went a step further, too far.

And Ann was right really as his mum's face looked pretty embarrassed during his interview last night when they showed the clips. Even Andrew looked embarrassed and immediately apologised.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

Are people still calling Ann a homophobe lmaoooo

Yes

Labelling someone is not an argument.

Some people don't have arguments: all they have are labels

The same old cheap, cliched, over-used labels - again and again.

Does get boring

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yes

Labelling someone is not an argument.

Some people don't have arguments: all they have are labels

The same old cheap, cliched, over-used labels - again and again.

Does get boring

It's been explained dozens of times.

Putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring the argument doesn't make it disappear.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yes

Labelling someone is not an argument.

Some people don't have arguments: all they have are labels

The same old cheap, cliched, over-used labels - again and again.

Does get boring

There were some excellent arguments behind that given label.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's absolutely right, she just said they were watching. Andrew, as always went a step further, too far.

And Ann was right really as his mum's face looked pretty embarrassed during his interview last night when they showed the clips. Even Andrew looked embarrassed and immediately apologised.

Spot on.
He never gave his family a thought when he was swearing and being nasty, maybe if he had taken on Ann’s words as a bit of advice then he wouldn’t have been booted out.
Glad he was mind.

[mr rochester]

If Andrews family have no problem about his behaviour with Shane that’s all well and good but I suspect the names he called Ann will have embarrassed them. A pity Andrew did not consider his family more. There are times when Andrew becomes a person only a mother could love. It might not do Andrew any harm to become slightly less bombastic and opinionated in general. Ann advising him to be more considerate of his family is not a homophobic retort. It is good solid advice that he might have done well to consider. She did not mention shame...he did!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's been explained dozens of times.

Putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring the argument doesn't make it disappear.

Nobody has explaind how she has a phobia when she doesn't fear gay people.

I'm all ears

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Nobody has explaind how she has a phobia when she doesn't fear gay people.

I'm all ears

Maybe you need to study the English language again instead of continuing to repeat that line as though it is at all funny?

Homophobia is a dislike or prejudice against homosexuals.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Nobody has explaind how she has a phobia when she doesn't fear gay people.

I'm all ears

The suffix of phobia most closely translates to 'an aversion to'. Nobody thinks she jumps on the table stomping her feet yelling help for straight people to safely escort her out of the area everytime she sees a gay person.

I cant tell if youre being serious or not, but your take on the word would explain the confusion that has been going on with the word recently. Hmm.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

The suffix of phobia most closely translates to 'an aversion to'. Nobody thinks she jumps on the table stomping her feet yelling help for straight people to safely escort her out of the area everytime she sees a gay person.

I cant tell if youre being serious or not, but your take on the word would explain the confusion that has been going on with the word recently. Hmm.

Deadly serious, I believe phobia is the wrong word to use.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

The suffix of phobia most closely translates to 'an aversion to'. Nobody thinks she jumps on the table stomping her feet yelling help for straight people to safely escort her out of the area everytime she sees a gay person.

I cant tell if youre being serious or not, but your take on the word would explain the confusion that has been going on with the word recently. Hmm.

No confusion. They're just continuing to make a mockery out of serious topics they have no relation to.

[Lilac hills]

Ann is not prejudice against homosexuals

Shane is doing more harm to the lgbt community than Ann is

People will think relationships like Andrews and Shane’s are always fake and for attention

Also he thinks gender is a spectrum wtf

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

Ann is not prejudice against homosexuals

Shane is doing more harm to the lgbt community than Ann is

People will think relationships like Andrews and Shane’s are always fake and for attention

Also he thinks gender is a spectrum wtf

No. Voting against equality isn't prejudiced. :/

Also Andrew and Shane are not in a relationship.