[Vanessa]

The twats who ran away from London are spreading it everywhere

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The twats who ran away from London are spreading it everywhere

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

I'm not panicking or scaremongering, it's the same Covid that's been with us for nearly a year, it just spreads more easily. Pointing out that it's already active across the globe and thus can't be contained in one place (because it is already in more than one place) isn't scare mongering, it's being realistic.

The German virologist you quoted yesterday was literally saying "Meh, it's almost certainly already here in Germany, but no need to worry too much".

[bots]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

please stop talking nonsense Nicky

The variant has been around for months, it will be in every country in the world

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

I got eye-rolled at last night for posing a few conspiracy theories about the convenient timing of a lot of these new revelations . e.g. one of mine is that they didn't "suddenly" get worried about this new strain - they've been tracking this strain since September - what ACTUALLY happened was, they realised that the 5 day restrictions-free-for-all was an absolute disaster waiting to happen but couldn't just say "actually we've decided it's maybe not a good idea so now we're saying no" and thus needed a "new threat" to justify backpedaling on Christmas, and to scare people into compliance .

This theory hinges on what revelations come about this new strain after the Christmas and New Year period. If they come out with "actually it's not that much worse than the original strain after all" in early January then I'll be pretty convinced that this is what happened.

It's "interesting" that there are specific figures being quoted about "how much more infectious it is" despite a low sample size and there being no lab-confirmed details.

Also "interesting" that virologists from other countries are verifying that the strain being talked about is real, but noting that pockets of that strain haven't resulted in huge case surges in those areas (or at least not yet).

SUS

I don't really believe in coincidental timing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

Quite possibly...if countries were really serious about keeping it out they would be banning all inbound travel

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

I meant to passengers TS, not freight obviously.

[Vanessa]

Ridiculous that they're isolating us.
When the new strain is not just in the UK

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

As an intelligent person I can see your point about shutting the borders but I’m talking about the first shut down in March.

The first lock down slowed the infection rate and by closing the borders it would of slowed the infection rate more

The more you can reduce the spread in the beginning the infection will be lower down the line.

[Alf]

A bit of Watson

Youtube video

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

A bit of Watson

Youtube video

I forgot that dude even existed!

He's the reason people sarcastically say "eemagine moi shawck", right?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I forgot that dude even existed!

He's the reason people sarcastically say "eemagine moi shawck", right?

Yes! He's the fella with the "imagine my shock" catchphrase.

[user104658]

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

BrexitaCovida


What Stinking mess TS.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

Agree, I said the same in the corona thread, Macron is happy to keep French drivers UK side days before Christmas in a political move, nothing to do with health given they have been going backwards and forwards even when little was known about the virus ...he could organise testing on arrival in Calais if he really is that bothered

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

Agree with this completely

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

they wouldn't legally have been able to do it had we still been in the eu, we aren't any more remember. Other eu countries have closed their borders in europe during the pandemic and if it were legally challenged they would be told to open up, but the legal challenge would probably have taken 5 years to be heard, so there is that

but anyway, the border closures are to appease the public, if there were an incident like that in France, the Sun would have front page headlines asking for the border to be closed. The governments will mumble about extra precautions and open up again soon enough

[arista]

[joeysteele]

I don't think the brexit atmosphere is helping.

However it's not only EU Nations now banning travel from the UK.
India and Switzerland have too for instance, they aren't EU Nations.

We've always it seems had a more sticky connection with France.

I think the new strains are genuine too plus it seems South Africa has now identified a new strain of coronavirus too.

Worrying times

[Kizzy]

As usual our attitude towards both issues stinks... Other countries quite rightly do not want exposure to the new strain, so the sensible thing is close the borders from the UK. No doubt we would all champion that should it be France for instance with the same issue.

That leaves 2 problems ...how we treat incoming vehicles bringing in our essential supplies, these people are guests in the UK, how do we treat them? Are facilities provided, toilet and washing areas..skips for waste? No. They get a parking ticket! Shameful.

Another problem is once here how do we aid the European drivers to return home? ... no news of this either.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As usual our attitude towards both issues stinks... Other countries quite rightly do not want exposure to the new strain, so the sensible thing is close the borders from the UK. No doubt we would all champion that should it be France for instance with the same issue.

That leaves 2 problems ...how we treat incoming vehicles bringing in our essential supplies, these people are guests in the UK, how do we treat them? Are facilities provided, toilet and washing areas..skips for waste? No. They get a parking ticket! Shameful.

Another problem is once here how do we aid the European drivers to return home? ... no news of this either.

Yes some broke off
and parked in the Town,
of course, they get a Ticket.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes some broke off
and parked in the Town,
of course, they get a Ticket.

How do they get food if they are stranded... by driving to the nearest town.

It's not ideal of course but it's not their Fault they are in this predicament is it?
I little understanding and basic human decency would be good.

Not in little Britain.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How do they get food if they are stranded... by driving to the nearest town.

It's not ideal of course but it's not their Fault they are in this predicament is it?
I little understanding and basic human decency would be good.

Not in little Britain.

They buy the food fast
get back in the Lorry
and get back to the place they meant to be