[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jules2

No LT this is where the theory of karma and reincarnation comes into play, if it is the spirit we are trying to build upon, then it may have been their choice to be in such a position. It is a hard thing to accept as it brings into play the old saying of "I am alright Jack". Mind you having said that I guess that many of us have had their trials and tribulations, it is just having the faith to know that we will come out of it one way or another. The acceptance of eternal spiritual life is the ultimate reward.

Did you just claim that the people who die of disease and starvation chose to put themselves in that position in a past life?

This is where belief becomes a bit dangerous in my eyes, when we start writing off atrocities as 'meant to be'.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Did you just claim that the people who die of disease and starvation chose to put themselves in that position in a past life?

This is where belief becomes a bit dangerous in my eyes, when we start writing off atrocities as 'meant to be'.

No I never claim anything tbh as we do not know but if we look into different thoughts and views this is just a theory of many. How do we explain it all though, why should some suffer and others do not? As I have said my mind is ever open, I do not come down on any one theory but consider all, looking for the logic of the whys and wherefores. It is such an interesting subject but I doubt whether we will truly know the answers. It is only one answer amongst many.

[Kizzy]

I'm loving the Sitchin reference, been watching BBC4 and the ancient civilisation series all across the globe they focused on the moon and the sun to be worshiped rather than named deities, that sits well with me.
The addition of winged beings cannot be denied though and this was also a worldwide phenomenon... this has never been fully explained in any great detail and I feel that there is more to some aspects of the bible 'the watchers' for instance.
It sounds a bit x files but I have to say it would make sense that the ancient peoples had help in forming what look like huge watchtowers.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm loving the Sitchin reference, been watching BBC4 and the ancient civilisation series all across the globe they focused on the moon and the sun to be worshiped rather than named deities, that sits well with me.
The addition of winged beings cannot be denied though and this was also a worldwide phenomenon... this has never been fully explained in any great detail and I feel that there is more to some aspects of the bible 'the watchers' for instance.
It sounds a bit x files but I have to say it would make sense that the ancient peoples had help in forming what look like huge watchtowers.

Hi Kizzy, have you read Sitchin's books at all? I am interested in the theory that aliens had a hand in producing the human race. It is a long old story but it covers the lost link. To me it also makes sense that in the beginning there was evolution through the big bang or whatever but then along came creation as man was formed through the presence of these beings. The two things which have caused so many debates.

Such a lot of theories eh!! The trouble is many believe each theory so nothing can really be denied if one has an open mind. The mind is like a computer, we are able to store things in different compartments and then call upon them when we need to.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Hi Kizzy, have you read Sitchin's books at all? I am interested in the theory that aliens had a hand in producing the human race. It is a long old story but it covers the lost link. To me it also makes sense that in the beginning there was evolution through the big bang or whatever but then along came creation as man was formed through the presence of these beings. The two things which have caused so many debates.

Such a lot of theories eh!! The trouble is many believe each theory so nothing can really be denied if one has an open mind. The mind is like a computer, we are able to store things in different compartments and then call upon them when we need to.

Yes, I have Genesis Revisited and another which I lent to my brother and he hasn't yet returned ... mmm, just remembered that haha.
I'm not a creationist by any stretch of the imagination, having said that there are too many ancient coincidences across the globe and hopefully the puzzle pieces will one day fit and reveal how we all came to be.
One theory of mine is there are different 'species' of human, some very tall some tiny, and it's these primeval differences that keep us warring.
Let's just hope that 'Eureka!' moment comes soon and we can all recognise and celebrate our differences as well as our shared past and live peacefully.

[Rob!]

Simple fact of the matter is that we won't know until our current life is over. Or maybe we won't and our lives will simply start again. Personally I'd rather that. I hate the idea that once we're gone, we just cease to exist. Somehow, be it science or through some other celestial being, life was created to the level it is today.
Yeah, we learn..but why? We only learn what we subconsciously believe to be worth holding on to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Simple fact of the matter is that we won't know until our current life is over. Or maybe we won't and our lives will simply start again. Personally I'd rather that. I hate the idea that once we're gone, we just cease to exist. Somehow, be it science or through some other celestial being, life was created to the level it is today.
Yeah, we learn..but why? We only learn what we subconsciously believe to be worth holding on to.

but you are perfectly happy that before you were born there was 13 billion years of nothing, of non-existence?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but you are perfectly happy that before you were born there was 13 billion years of nothing, of non-existence?

So take us back to the very beginning LT.......have you ever thought about it?

[Jules2]

For myself I find that I need to look at a greater story, if we think about it all words are man made, please question me if you feel I am wrong. Bearing this in mind we can see where the divisions come into play.

We talk about faith, what is faith, to some it is dogmatic religion, but that is still the words of other people? As I consider the spiritual (spirit) the real member of the cast, anything which uplifts is ok. I am all for the positive side of life but because I live on the mortal coil I feel we have to look into the whys and wherefores of how people are misled into believing that theirs is the only way. Have they been milked into that thought, can we/they begin to think for ourselves/themselves? Why do many fight and kill.

It is said that in the beginning there was the word, what was the word? What is the meaning of that word? Indeed do we know, have we been told?

Now faith is a great word, it can uplift the inner self but it also can be the use of many things. If we have faith in a supposed "god" other than the one who says "thou shalt have no other "god" than me", if that faith uplifts the soul then to me it is a good thing for it allows progression.

Take an illness, faith...it will get better.....now with this attitude there is every reason to think that it will uplift. It gives us the faith to go on and to be able to accept the final outcome. If someone decries that faith then we go down, thus introducing negative thoughts into our being and allowing depression to take hold. Not good for there is only one way...down...it is then hard to go up. Although it is said that when we go down we go up further but positive thought is the greater thing.

We know that we should never decry anyones faith no matter what that faith is because for me, it is the spiritual aspect which is the main thing.

Faith is a great word:- For All Individuals To Heal:

From the depth of darkness there shone a light,
A tiny spark but oh so bright.
The darkness changed itself to day,
The light had come to show the way.

xx

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I don't have a salad Jules I'm more of a carnivore

But I'll give you a word burger.

I have no reason to believe in a God/Gods. I don't believe in anything. Until there is a scientific consensus that we came about as a result of intelligent design from a creator who basically can't be arsed with us anymore then I'm afraid I am going to have to put my trust that humanity's greatest minds will push the boundaries of science in search of our answers, as they always do. This is our greatest hour.

No agenda, no dogma, no confirmation bias, no control, no self-appointed hierarchy of order. Just the simple search for truth.

So therefore you have an open mind? This is what I think tbh, I love putting theories forward though for anyone to mull over. I am not bogged down at all. I do believe though that science and the ever powers of life are more in tune these days than in others. Thanks for replying. Hey I am not keen on burgers neither....

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jules2

So therefore you have an open mind? This is what I think tbh, I love putting theories forward though for anyone to mull over. I am not bogged down at all. I do believe though that science and the ever powers of life are more in tune these days than in others. Thanks for replying. Hey I am not keen on burgers neither....

No worries Jules. It's certainly an interesting topic nonetheless. There is so much out there yet to be discovered.

I'm interested in the idea of panspermia in particular now. I was listening to an astronomy podcast the other day and they were talking about bacteria that could survive the vacuum of space and what if it was a meteor that struck the earth all those years ago and 'seeded' the planet with biological material.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kyle

No worries Jules. It's certainly an interesting topic nonetheless. There is so much out there yet to be discovered.

I'm interested in the idea of panspermia in particular now. I was listening to an astronomy podcast the other day and they were talking about bacteria that could survive the vacuum of space and what if it was a meteor that struck the earth all those years ago and 'seeded' the planet with biological material.

Ah Kyle to me that is a very plausible thought one which I have been very interested in. I have written about different theories, ones which have popped into my mind and which I have taken great pleasure in putting on paper. I just love theorising.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Ah Kyle to me that is a very plausible thought one which I have been very interested in. I have written about different theories, ones which have popped into my mind and which I have taken great pleasure in putting on paper. I just love theorising.

Care to share a few when you have time?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kyle

No worries Jules. It's certainly an interesting topic nonetheless. There is so much out there yet to be discovered.

I'm interested in the idea of panspermia in particular now. I was listening to an astronomy podcast the other day and they were talking about bacteria that could survive the vacuum of space and what if it was a meteor that struck the earth all those years ago and 'seeded' the planet with biological material.

Morning Kyle and all, well I have to admit that I had never heard of the word panspermia so I had a look on google. Plenty of info there so I have bookmarked it to go back into later on today.

You know this is the beauty of communication if one is interested in a subject no matter what, one word can lead us onto another interesting track.

Many a time in the past I have had a thought and then something appears to confirm my thought, have you ever just opened a page in a book and found an answer...."just like that"! That little voice which dwells within can help us free ourselves from sin. Mind you what is sin........no, no, no that is another subject......

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Morning Kyle, well I have to admit that I had never heard of the word panspermia so I had a look on google. Plenty of info there so I have bookmarked it to go back into later on today.

You know this is the beauty of communication if one is interested in a subject no matter what, one word can lead us onto another interesting track.

Many a time in the past I have had a thought and then something appears to confirm my thought, have you ever just opened a page in a book and found an answer...."just like that"! That little voice which dwells within can help us free ourselves from sin. Mind you what is sin........no, no, no that is another subject......

Certainly another topic indeed.

One thing I wonder is what direction our species will take when/if we discover life on other planets or star systems. What would life be like for them? Is there a connection between life on earth and life elsewhere in the galaxy. And if we actually discover or are found by a spacefaring intelligent species then imagine all the possibilities for learning our origins.

Though Steven Hawking warns that it is not wise to broadcast our existence to other sentient beings across the galaxy (and in many ways I would be inclined to agree) the sheer curiosity that I feel needs to be sated by discovering we are not alone in the galaxy is just too much to pass on and I hope I'm alive to see this fulfilled.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I don't have a salad Jules I'm more of a carnivore

But I'll give you a word burger.

I have no reason to believe in a God/Gods. I don't believe in anything. Until there is a scientific consensus that we came about as a result of intelligent design from a creator who basically can't be arsed with us anymore then I'm afraid I am going to have to put my trust that humanity's greatest minds will push the boundaries of science in search of our answers, as they always do. This is our greatest hour.

No agenda, no dogma, no confirmation bias, no control, no self-appointed hierarchy of order. Just the simple search for truth.

A good post Kyle with valid points and I'm glad you still have an 'open' mind even though you are firm in your beliefs. Like Jules, I'm looking forward to intelligent, adult, and cordial debates. I enjoy (cyber?) talking to people no matter if their beliefs are diametrically opposed to mine, as long as it's civil discussion. I'm not to old to learn from others, and hope the opposite is true.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

A good post Kyle with valid points and I'm glad you still have an 'open' mind even though you are firm in your beliefs. Like Jules, I'm looking forward to intelligent, adult, and cordial debates. I enjoy (cyber?) talking to people no matter if their beliefs are diametrically opposed to mine, as long as it's civil discussion. I'm not to old to learn from others, and hope the opposite is true.

If we are staunch and stubborn in our beliefs and not open to other ideas if they work for us then we are as good as dead in my eyes.

[Creggle]

There is no god, only mankind and the choices it makes.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Creggle

There is no god, only mankind and the choices it makes.

Possibly the original energy was taken and split into fractions because of man. The energy outside of all things is still with us if we stand outside of the negativity.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Creggle

There is no god, only mankind and the choices it makes.

Bang On Right

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Creggle

There is no god, only mankind and the choices it makes.

Do you believe in an afterlife though Creggle?

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Do you believe in an afterlife though Creggle?

No, but strangely enough I believe we have a spirit and think reincarnation is a possibility, but you don't need a god or deity for that.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Creggle

No, but strangely enough I believe we have a spirit and think reincarnation is a possibility, but you don't need a god or deity for that.

We all have part of something, as I have said to me spirit is the life and reincarnation makes sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jules2

We all have part of something, as I have said to me spirit is the life and reincarnation makes sense.

For reincarnation to make sense you would have to refute all the scientific laws we hold dear.

Would you care to attempt a stab at how you think it works and why you think that?

[Jules2]

It is a long time since I have been into my blog, I do not think the above will work but I have managed to get back in through typing:-

http://julesabdey.blogspot.co.uk

If you would like to have a look you need to begin at "our innermost thoughts" otherwise you begin at the last entry which was taken over by me having a bit of fun with Reuben's the Royal. My theory was to have serious and light and to try and make it less boring because things do get deep.