[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That isn't back stabbing though. Back stabbing means you betray a friend, he wasn't "friends" with those people, he went and told his actual friends what the "groovy gang" were saying

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He sits there chatting to them all in the smoking area ,so its being 2 faced

because he smokes.......... what do you expect him to do while he's smoking his cigarette, ignore them all? Everyone was aware of the house divide between the groups at the time Chuff

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

because he smokes.......... what do you expect him to do while he's smoking his cigarette, ignore them all? Everyone was aware of the house divide between the groups at the time Chuff

But now they all get on well. Only Sue and Simone seem somewhat isolated. The divide is gone and the original housemates all hang out with each other. Otherwise we wouldn't see Raph cooking with the lads.

[Littlegreen]

I like that little smoking group (Kieran, Charlotte and Raph) I think that's where I'd probably hang about.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I dont find back stabbing and bare faced lying a nice quality either

...and don't forget disloyal.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

I like that little smoking group (Kieran, Charlotte and Raph) I think that's where I'd probably hang about.

When he goes to smoke that's when he hangs out with Kieran, Tom and Charlotte.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...and don't forget disloyal.

LOL this is a reach to the core!!! He's close to Chanelle,Isabelle,Hannah and Deborah and he has been really loyal to them who are his actual friends.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

because he smokes.......... what do you expect him to do while he's smoking his cigarette, ignore them all? Everyone was aware of the house divide between the groups at the time Chuff

The house divide was concocted by Raph ,so he could be viewed as an underdog ,it didn't work ,they've all moved away from his clique and its taken away his dream of being seen as a victim ,I think this was one of his game plans but its failed

No one saying he should kiss the lads and girls backsides but running back telling tales, tales he knew were not 100% the truth as he had added bits on to the sisters when they were in their aggressive stage was deliberate to cause trouble

[Littlegreen]

It was actually Joe that created the divide. He all but admitted on BOTS he stopped being friendly with Raph because he stuck up for Arthur.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

It was actually Joe that created the divide. He all but admitted on BOTS he stopped being friendly with Raph because he stuck up for Arthur.

Naahh sorry he didn't, it was Raph

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

It was actually Joe that created the divide. He all but admitted on BOTS he stopped being friendly with Raph because he stuck up for Arthur.

I think it was Tom when he told Joe about Raph VT. He liked him until his VT was mentioned.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The house divide was concocted by Raph ,so he could be viewed as an underdog ,it didn't work ,they've all moved away from his clique and its taken away his dream of being seen as a victim ,I think this was one of his game plans but its failed

No one saying he should kiss the lads and girls backsides but running back telling tales, tales he knew were not 100% the truth as he had added bits on to the sisters when they were in their aggressive stage was deliberate to cause trouble

Really cos I heard Savannah and Charlotte go on about their gang alot too

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really cos I heard Savannah and Charlotte go on about their gang alot too

Savannah yes


and Charlotte only because Ellie can't count, she had to tell her they had the numbers

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think it was Tom when he told Joe about Raph VT. He liked him until his VT was mentioned.

Yes that added more fuel to the fire.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Naahh sorry he didn't, it was Raph

Wait I've got the exact moment the divide was formed...

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/06/big-br...e-tom-6689886/



^ her face!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Yes that added more fuel to the fire.



Wait I've got the exact moment the divide was formed...

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/06/big-br...e-tom-6689886/



^ her face!

Its was Raphs game plan

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its was Raphs game plan

Raphs plan to divide them into 2 Bedrooms? Genius

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Raphs plan to divide them into 2 Bedrooms? Genius

Don't be sarky Raph turned the 2 bedrooms into 2 cliques ,he invented the cottage clique

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

After Sue and Simone go we will see more of the others. At the moment all we see is thee two idiots.

Tbf you've been saying this every week starting with Sukh

If everyone left and only he remained of course you'd see more of him. I like Raph but do think he's been under the radar most of the time.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I like him but he's not a great housemate, he could have left at any point in the series and it would have no impact on the quality.

This, really

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Tbf you've been saying this every week starting with Sukh

If everyone left and only he remained of course you'd see more of him. I like Raph but do think he's been under the radar most of the time.

The house was quite fun when Lotan left. So i'm hoping after Sue and Simone go it will be fun again.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LukeB

LOL this is a reach to the core!!! He's close to Chanelle,Isabelle,Hannah and Deborah and he has been really loyal to them who are his actual friends.

I was having a laugh...but as you think I'm reaching I will tell you why he is disloyal.
He listens to gossip...he doesn't defend them when he hears that gossip...he goes back and tells them the gossip in the knowledge that they will react...then he watches them confront them and get into an arguement.
That is not a friend let alone a loyal one...and we all know Raph keeps his head low whilst turning others against each other...he admits that himself.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I was having a laugh...but as you think I'm reaching I will tell you why he is disloyal.
He listens to gossip...he doesn't defend them when he hears that gossip...he goes back and tells them the gossip in the knowledge that they will react...then he watches them confront them and get into an arguement.
That is not a friend let alone a loyal one...and we all know Raph keeps his head low whilst turning others against each other...he admits that himself.

gossip from the other side who he really isn't friends with. they are friends and people who you are civil with which means no loyalties to them. He has never gone behind his friends back in there at all.He has not told the other side what Chanelle,Isabelle,Deb and Hannah have been saying..

[Macie Lightfoot]

People like Raph bc he's from here and he's been on the "right" side of the house. Personally me, I've just found him to be a dud who oscillates from somewhat righteous to vaguely wormy.

Given my history with him I was expecting a lot worse so tbh I'll take it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I was having a laugh...but as you think I'm reaching I will tell you why he is disloyal.
He listens to gossip...he doesn't defend them when he hears that gossip...he goes back and tells them the gossip in the knowledge that they will react...then he watches them confront them and get into an arguement.
That is not a friend let alone a loyal one...and we all know Raph keeps his head low whilst turning others against each other...he admits that himself.

Post of the thread Not once have I seen him defend one of his"Friends"

[Samm]

Originally Posted by reece(:

If everyone left and only he remained of course you'd see more of him.

I screamed