[Ammi]

…final episode today, eeeeeeek….

[Jessica.]

I'm so nervous/excited!

[Ammi]

…just watched the season finale…

[Niamh.]

Is e7 the finale?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Is e7 the finale?

…yes, this is the final one of this season now…

[Quantum Boy]

Spoiler:

lol people will go wild at that cliffhanger.

The finale was surprisingly decent, again all a bit rushed, my only gripe is... When Ellie got knocked off the boat, swept a couple of miles across stormy sea, washed up on a beach, had half of what is actually an Abby scene... For no reason whatsoever... And then got on a different (?) boat right back to where she was headed in the first place.

WHY?

pointless, waste of screen time and also completely unfeasible/unrealistic... She would clearly Have DROWNED.

She is knocked off the boat in-game but it's like 50 metres from the shore at the aquarium and she manages to swim ashore there. Not washed up on the Scar island ... Again for absolutely no plot reason? Really weird choice.

[Cherie]

ah

Spoiler:

Jesse, that said they were preparing us...I cant die, I cant die...oh I died

[Ammi]

….it was a very good final episode…..

Spoiler:

…and left it perfectly leading into Abby’s story going back to day 1 again but from her perspective…which is what the game players have said, that we see it through Abby’s eyes…I’m not sure how that’ll translate from game to series though as we’ve attached so much to Ellie/as we did to Joel so it’s hard to imagine the transition…I have to say that I’m probably less excited and anticipated for the third season as I have no emotional attachment to Abby at all because of how brutal she was in her killing of Joel…

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….it was a very good final episode…..

Spoiler:

…and left it perfectly leading into Abby’s story going back to day 1 again but from her perspective…which is what the game players have said, that we see it through Abby’s eyes…I’m not sure how that’ll translate from game to series though as we’ve attached so much to Ellie/as we did to Joel so it’s hard to imagine the transition…I have to say that I’m probably less excited and anticipated for the third season as I have no emotional attachment to Abby at all because of how brutal she was in her killing of Joel…

Spoiler:

well, this is something players really struggled with too, to the extent that the poor woman who voiced Abby was getting death threats and some people "refused" to continue playing or repeatedly deliberately got the character killed. However if you go in with a open mind, Abby is a great character, and I feel you really don't have to take sides and can sympathise with both of them (and that was always the message)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Spoiler:

well, this is something players really struggled with too, to the extent that the poor woman who voiced Abby was getting death threats and some people "refused" to continue playing or repeatedly deliberately got the character killed. However if you go in with a open mind, Abby is a great character, and I feel you really don't have to take sides and can sympathise with both of them (and that was always the message)

Spoiler:

…yeah, totally…it’s just getting over that thing of there being emotional room for us to have empathy with both characters…it doesn’t have to be one or the other because that’s more ‘real’ anyway, isn’t it…good/bad is very complex and layered and not a black and white thing…I’m sure that once were absorbed in Abby’s story in season 3 it’ll all feel obvious and natural but it’s something we’ll have to start experiencing first because TV stories do take us out of ‘reality’ as well and we do get attached to characters, which is the purpose/intention of the producers as well…this new Abby perspective will also keep the edge of being different as well and offering something new…

[Niamh.]

I know this might be a bit controversial but

Spoiler:

I find Ellie kind of annoying I feel like I might like Abby more

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know this might be a bit controversial but

Spoiler:

I find Ellie kind of annoying I feel like I might like Abby more

Spoiler:

I tried really, really hard not to feel that way during this season but... yeah Bella Ramsay's Ellie is annoying. I do maintain that she played a great mid-teens Ellie in S1 (and the flashback episode confirmed that - best Ellie of the season by far) but she's not captured older/rageful Ellie at all... it's coming across entitled and irritating... like her relationship with Jessie is totally different in show (they're friends with deep respect for each other in game) and I can see WHY that is... like... he's not wrong? In the game yes she acts selfishly but it's much, much more clear that she's not thinking clearly/is totally blinded by grief, it's not "her".

Also doesn't help that I do actually slightly side Team Abby in the game narrative but it's very close "both sides have a point/both sides are also wrong" thing. In the show I'm worried people will just end up going full Team Abby .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Spoiler:

I tried really, really hard not to feel that way during this season but... yeah Bella Ramsay's Ellie is annoying. I do maintain that she played a great mid-teens Ellie in S1 (and the flashback episode confirmed that - best Ellie of the season by far) but she's not captured older/rageful Ellie at all... it's coming across entitled and irritating... like her relationship with Jessie is totally different in show (they're friends with deep respect for each other in game) and I can see WHY that is... like... he's not wrong? In the game yes she acts selfishly but it's much, much more clear that she's not thinking clearly/is totally blinded by grief, it's not "her".

Also doesn't help that I do actually slightly side Team Abby in the game narrative but it's very close "both sides have a point/both sides are also wrong" thing. In the show I'm worried people will just end up going full Team Abby .

Spoiler:

Yeah I agree with you about her S1 Vs S2. I liked her a lot more then and yeah I totally get Abbys POV already even without seeing S3, I mean he murdered her dad, he wasn't a soldier and he wasn't armed

[Ammi]

Spoiler:

…I like the actress who plays Abby…(…I realise that physically she doesn’t resemble the Abby of the game play…)….but it was Pedro Pascal that she brutally and coldly and torturously beat to death so I don’t know how I’ll come to feel about her when we follow her story…I mean, it was Pedro Pascal…that’s a lot and I’m still processing….

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

…I like the actress who plays Abby…(…I realise that physically she doesn’t resemble the Abby of the game play…)….but it was Pedro Pascal that she brutally and coldly and torturously beat to death so I don’t know how I’ll come to feel about her when we follow her story…I mean, it was Pedro Pascal…that’s a lot and I’m still processing….

If it helps (though this is an actual spoiler)

Spoiler:

To be fair Abby comes to the conclusion that vengeance/killing Joel did nothing to help her and felt empty, that it's just a pointless cycle of violence, waaaaaaay quicker than Ellie... so it's not like she's going around happy/celebrating being a Joel-killer.

I think they can work around the physical differences in the character to be fair, though they'll need to lean more into her being a good tactician/leader to justify the comments about her being such a great soldier, since she's not in straight up "super soldier territory" like game Abby.

I think one of the saddest parts about it is that we'll (surely) never get to see show Abby kill a clicker with her bare fists like she can on a few occasions in game. Just swaggering around punching them square in the throat until they die .

They've DEFINITELY set up Abby vs "The Rat King" though - which is a big/messed up infected in the hospital basement, I suspect the show version is going to be (...partly... ...) the son of that ALF deputy lady, who she had to trap down there (and Ellie saw starting to look suspiciously Rat-Kingy).

Spoiler for what the Rat King is if you don't want to know

Spoiler:

It's basically a blob of multiple infected that have grown/fused together into one big... multi-headed thing... Abby fights it in the hospital, it's horrific

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

If it helps (though this is an actual spoiler)

Spoiler:

To be fair Abby comes to the conclusion that vengeance/killing Joel did nothing to help her and felt empty, that it's just a pointless cycle of violence, waaaaaaay quicker than Ellie... so it's not like she's going around happy/celebrating being a Joel-killer.

I think they can work around the physical differences in the character to be fair, though they'll need to lean more into her being a good tactician/leader to justify the comments about her being such a great soldier, since she's not in straight up "super soldier territory" like game Abby.

I think one of the saddest parts about it is that we'll (surely) never get to see show Abby kill a clicker with her bare fists like she can on a few occasions in game. Just swaggering around punching them square in the throat until they die .

They've DEFINITELY set up Abby vs "The Rat King" though - which is a big/messed up infected in the hospital basement, I suspect the show version is going to be (...partly... ...) the son of that ALF deputy lady, who she had to trap down there (and Ellie saw starting to look suspiciously Rat-Kingy).

Spoiler for what the Rat King is if you don't want to know

Spoiler:

It's basically a blob of multiple infected that have grown/fused together into one big... multi-headed thing... Abby fights it in the hospital, it's horrific

Spoiler:

…I’m guessing that it it was touched on in the finale in that Abby has leadership skills that the no one else has so she was always the one that would lead them, rather than focus on any physical aspect…I mean, she’s a great soldier as well but maybe the focus will be more with leadership qualities than physical might…

[Quantum Boy]

One thing I will say, they did a great job with poor Mel, I think you're supposed to feel bad for Mel in-game too but Game Mel is frankly kind of irritating so while what happens is obviously horrible... it's less horrible... because I don't think Mel herself is a very likeable character.

Poor show-Mel seemed like a normal girl who got caught up in something she really wanted nothing to do with, pretty much dragged along because all of her friends were involved.

Also (graphic game-image, not a spoiler if you've seen the finale)

Spoiler:

Poor Mel gets a neck stabby rather than accidentally shot - it's pretty grim

[Quantum Boy]

Yet another question/plot hole tho...

How did Abby find the theatre in the show? In the show, Ellie's trying to get them to point out where Abby is on a map that's there in the aquarium. In the game, Ellie's trying to make them point to where Abby is in HER map that she brought with her - in the aftermath of what happens, she accidentally leaves her map behind, and the theatre is marked on that map (so when Abby finds her friends dead she knows exactly where to go). It's a very neat way to tie up a potential loose end that, for some reason, they didn't do in the show. I can't think of any reason for that really. Everthing else plays out the same, except that it's not Ellie's map.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Yet another question/plot hole tho...

How did Abby find the theatre in the show? In the show, Ellie's trying to get them to point out where Abby is on a map that's there in the aquarium. In the game, Ellie's trying to make them point to where Abby is in HER map that she brought with her - in the aftermath of what happens, she accidentally leaves her map behind, and the theatre is marked on that map (so when Abby finds her friends dead she knows exactly where to go). It's a very neat way to tie up a potential loose end that, for some reason, they didn't do in the show. I can't think of any reason for that really. Everthing else plays out the same, except that it's not Ellie's map.

I would imagine they'll show how she found them next season when we get it played out from Abbys POV

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would imagine they'll show how she found them next season when we get it played out from Abbys POV

I'm sus that it'll be like how Jessie found them - "I just did OK?? Shut up Ellie you idiot!! God damn!"

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

One thing I will say, they did a great job with poor Mel, I think you're supposed to feel bad for Mel in-game too but Game Mel is frankly kind of irritating so while what happens is obviously horrible... it's less horrible... because I don't think Mel herself is a very likeable character.

Poor show-Mel seemed like a normal girl who got caught up in something she really wanted nothing to do with, pretty much dragged along because all of her friends were involved.

Also (graphic game-image, not a spoiler if you've seen the finale)

Spoiler:

Poor Mel gets a neck stabby rather than accidentally shot - it's pretty grim

Spoiler:

…what about Owen in the game…?…I didn’t feel as though his character really was given much substance in the series then ruthless…he was dead in the blink of a blink…but I guess that his character is more for Abby’s back story…I don’t think that I like this reverse thing and knowing their ending before we know their beginning and journeys…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'm sus that it'll be like how Jessie found them - "I just did OK?? Shut up Ellie you idiot!! God damn!"

Well if we were getting a Jessie POV season we'd probably know

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

…what about Owen in the game…?…I didn’t feel as though his character really was given much substance in the series then ruthless…he was dead in the blink of a blink…but I guess that his character is more for Abby’s back story…I don’t think that I like this reverse thing and knowing their ending before we know their beginning and journeys…

Spoiler:

Owen featured quite a bit in Abby's story so I imagine we'll see more of him in S3, there are also a few Abby/Owen flashbacks in game (similar to the Ellie/Joel flashbacks), I imagine they'll include some of that too. It happens the same in the game too though I think it's kind of the point - they're basically just more "unknown bad guys" up until that end of day 3, then you go back to day 1 and learn about them (while already knowing what happens to them)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Spoiler:

Owen featured quite a bit in Abby's story so I imagine we'll see more of him in S3, there are also a few Abby/Owen flashbacks in game (similar to the Ellie/Joel flashbacks), I imagine they'll include some of that too. It happens the same in the game too though I think it's kind of the point - they're basically just more "unknown bad guys" up until that end of day 3, then you go back to day 1 and learn about them (while already knowing what happens to them)

Spoiler:

…from the little but we saw of him earlier before Joel’s death, it felt that he was somewhat of a more balanced influence in Abby’s life…obviously loyal to her but not really on board with her revenge so he didn’t feel ‘bad’ to me as such and maybe deserving of a more dramatic ending than the split second one that we saw…

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well if we were getting a Jessie POV season we'd probably know

Funnily enough I remember people really wanted a "Jessie DLC" for the game where you'd play as him from arriving in Seattle up to when he meets up with Ellie (in the game Ellie and Jessie run into each other out in the city fighting WLF's, Dina is in a sort of "control centre" role back at the theatre). And also the order of arrival in Seattle in the game was;

Tommy left for Seattle first (on his own), Tommy's wife then gave Ellie and Dina the supplies/horse to go after Tommy, Jessie found out and went after them on his own (so arrived in Seattle last, alone). So there's a whole day+ of Jessie vs the WLF in the city.

Also Tommy has basically gone full terminator, while sneaking around a WLF area you can overhear them talking about how there's some "unknown soldier" in the city sniping dozens of WLF and they can't find him -- implied to be Tommy on a full on killing spree . I kind of hope they show that.

Spoiler:

There's a whole Abby-sequence where you're basically just fleeing from Tommy, all you ever see of him is a shadowy figure in the distance/the rifle light and it's bloody terrifying, way scarier than any infected, Tommy is a machine