[Kyle]

Brilliant jules thankyou.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Brilliant jules thankyou.

You are welcome......

[Livia]

I'm sure it's different for everyone. For me, the best explanation I can offer is, only once you find something you're willing to die for can you truly begin to live.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sure it's different for everyone. For me, the best explanation I can offer is, only once you find something you're willing to die for can you truly begin to live.

Livia can I ask you a personal question?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Livia can I ask you a personal question?

I'm not sending you naked pictures, Kyle, stop asking me.

Yes, ask away...

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sending you naked pictures, Kyle, stop asking me.

Yes, ask away...

Lol jeez Livia I got it the third time you told me to ******* off who do u think I am?!


Basically yeh I don't wanna hash up the event in question but I think you know what event I'm on about. When that event happened did you find yourself questioning your faith and outlook on life at all or did your faith give you a little bit of solace?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Lol jeez Livia I got it the third time you told me to ******* off who do u think I am?!


Basically yeh I don't wanna hash up the event in question but I think you know what event I'm on about. When that event happened did you find yourself questioning your faith and outlook on life at all or did your faith give you a little bit of solace?

Well, I didn't blame God because I don't believe God has control over everything that happens in this world, over everything that man does. I think if we held God responsible for everything that's happened to our people over the last 5000 years I'm guessing there would be no Jews. Man has free will and acts in evil ways sometimes. I blamed the person who set the device that injured him. I believe categorically that the person responsible will have to account for himself.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sure it's different for everyone. For me, the best explanation I can offer is, only once you find something you're willing to die for can you truly begin to live.

That is lovely Livia, the true concept of love.

[Kizzy]

Further to that if you feel strongly enough to die for something or someone then would it not follow that you could kill too?
Many people across the globe are fighting and they ave all been told the same things by their respective superiors.. that what they are doing is for the greater good, for freedom, for their religion or country. All these young men fighting for what they believe is the meaning of life for them, to protect and serve their cause?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Further to that if you feel strongly enough to die for something or someone then would it not follow that you could kill too?
Many people across the globe are fighting and they ave all been told the same things by their respective superiors.. that what they are doing is for the greater good, for freedom, for their religion or country. All these young men fighting for what they believe is the meaning of life for them, to protect and serve their cause?

Ah Kizzy on a far greater level you are correct. I took it though that in this instance the word "die" was just a lighthearted expression of love. I guess Livia will know which way she meant it.

I have written a piece about such a thing in my blog, it involves the nuns who were killed many years ago and the loss of a young lad fighting for his country/beliefs. So many young lives indoctrined for the sake of religion and their ancestors training.

I think if it came down to it we would protect our own within our own surroundings, mind you by todays laws we would be the ones who suffered the penalities of standing up for our rights.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Ah Kizzy on a far greater level you are correct. I took it though that in this instance the word "die" was just a lighthearted expression of love. I guess Livia will know which way she meant it.

I have written a piece about such a thing in my blog, it involves the nuns who were killed many years ago and the loss of a young lad fighting for his country/beliefs. So many young lives indoctrined for the sake of religion and their ancestors training.

I think if it came down to it we would protect our own within our own surroundings, mind you by todays laws we would be the ones who suffered the penalities of standing up for our rights.

I meant exactly what I said.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Further to that if you feel strongly enough to die for something or someone then would it not follow that you could kill too?
Many people across the globe are fighting and they ave all been told the same things by their respective superiors.. that what they are doing is for the greater good, for freedom, for their religion or country. All these young men fighting for what they believe is the meaning of life for them, to protect and serve their cause?

This is part of the piece I wrote about when the nuns were killed, it was a sad programme and brought tears to my eyes:-

...................................
Many of us wonder whose side God is on, that is if one believes in God, because on the other hand after Jeannie's murder we had the little boy from El Salvador saying, his soul distraught as he spoke of the guns and the fear he should wrought..

"It is not your country it is not your land,
These are my beloveds I will take their hand
And lead them to safety from the cruelty of living
So don't talk of forgiving as you think of your loved ones
Happy and safe in peaceful surroundings away from strife".

For they raped his country, his ideals, his friends
And he wondered when the plundering would end.
Little soul they shot him and as he sank to the ground
He hoped that in oblivion peace would be found.
................................

Dear little chap on the other side but his feelings were real.

[Ninastar]

oh livia...

[Kizzy]

My feeling was if they are doing what they believe in their heart is right, is it wrong?

What is wrong is the manipulation by those who for power instill in the population fear.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My feeling was if they are doing what they believe in their heart is right, is it wrong?

What is wrong is the manipulation by those who for power instill in the population fear.

I agree with you totally Kizzy, the young lad in my piece was very young and whilst our nuns had been killed I felt for the young lad who suffered at our hands. I would say that he didnt know any better because of his training. It is a cruel cruel world but he thought he was in the right and he was protecting his earthly "masters" voice.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I was not referring specifically to you and therefore am not patronising you Kyle. There are a number of posters, of which you are but one.

That said, I still don't see what you are seeing in the 'time scale' of Ammi's post - I really, genuinely don't.

My perception of Ammi is that she's a poetic dreamer, a gentle soul without a shred of malice in her being.

Mate you can only be talking about me. I'm the only person that reacted.

[AnnieK]

My meaning in life now is simple.........get my son to adulthood as a happy, healthy, well rounded, tolerant and intelligent human being and my job here is done. I will go to my grave (and whatever, if anything is beyond) happy and satisfied

[lostalex]

People always want to find "meaning" in everything. like the people that obsess about the beatles or Led zeplin, they play the records backwards and hear hidden messages. Humans for some reason can't understand the concept of nothingness, of chaos, of just believing what you see. There must be order behind it, there must be something deeper, a secret. And people are rewarded when they think they have discovered something secret, it makes them feel superior to all the other "sheep", it makes them feel special and smart. It's pure ego.

What if it really is all just a Clusterfvc|k? could you handle that reality?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My meaning in life now is simple.........get my son to adulthood as a happy, healthy, well rounded, tolerant and intelligent human being and my job here is done. I will go to my grave (and whatever, if anything is beyond) happy and satisfied

Originally Posted by lostalex

People always want to find "meaning" in everything. like the people that obsess about the beatles or Led zeplin, they play the records backwards and hear hidden messages. Humans for some reason can't understand the concept of nothingness, of chaos, of just believing what you see. There must be order behind it, there must be something deeper, a secret. And people are rewarded when they think they have discovered something secret, it makes them feel superior to all the other "sheep", it makes them feel special and smart. It's pure ego.

What if it really is all just a Clusterfvc|k? could you handle that reality?

..does this not all go back though to the thing that everyone will have their own 'meaning of life' and for some, there will be no meaning at all..for others, the meaning or what defines their life could be bad/evil..or it could be good stuff, wanting to be a better person..wanting to care for the people around you/close to you etc...just whatever meaning someone wants to give it and for whatever their reasons....I don't think that there is a one fits all meaning of life...

[Kyle]

A question I would like to ask the Christians is, does it bother you that some of your friends that you chat to daily on here (and probably in life) are due an eternity in hell after we die? Do you think it's fair that because we reject the idea of Jesus Christ as our lord and saviour that we must be cast down to eternal punishment while you spend you're time playing bingo with the big man? Do you think we deserve that?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Kyle

A question I would like to ask the Christians is, does it bother you that some of your friends that you chat to daily on here (and probably in life) are due an eternity in hell after we die? Do you think it's fair that because we reject the idea of Jesus Christ as our lord and saviour that we must be cast down to eternal punishment while you spend you're time playing bingo with the big man? Do you think we deserve that?

This is why i don't believe in heaven and hell, and God, because how can you have someone who believes in God and is a real b@stard in life, and is pretty much guaranteed a place in heaven because they've lived by Gods word (my step mum is one of these people) and then you get a humanitarian who puts their life on the line by helping others basically sacrificing their lives but they don't believe in God so they would go to hell......no no no, this doesn't make sense!

Or a pedophile who turns to God in prison, and becoming born again.....does this wipe his slate clean....no! It can't be like that!

This is why i believe we have our spirit families, and i believe we are energy, i believe i have similar thought processes as Jules, i don't believe in 1 God.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

This is why i don't believe in heaven and hell, and God, because how can you have someone who believes in God and is a real b@stard in life, and is pretty much guaranteed a place in heaven because they've lived by Gods word (my step mum is one of these people) and then you get a humanitarian who puts their life on the line by helping others basically sacrificing their lives but they don't believe in God so they would go to hell......no no no, this doesn't make sense!

Or a pedophile who turns to God in prison, and becoming born again.....does this wipe his slate clean....no! It can't be like that!

This is why i believe we have our spirit families, and i believe we are energy, i believe i have similar thought processes as Jules, i don't believe in 1 God.

you are just a bunch of molecules cycling through a system.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kyle

A question I would like to ask the Christians is, does it bother you that some of your friends that you chat to daily on here (and probably in life) are due an eternity in hell after we die? Do you think it's fair that because we reject the idea of Jesus Christ as our lord and saviour that we must be cast down to eternal punishment while you spend you're time playing bingo with the big man? Do you think we deserve that?

As we know Kyle, each to their own but I agree that it cant be right. There are too many different thoughts and expressions in the world for any one group to be totally correct. I guess we just find our own way.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jules2

As we know Kyle, each to their own but I agree that it cant be right. There are too many different thoughts and expressions in the world for any one group to be totally correct. I guess we just find our own way.

I know you've responded further up to my questions Jules and I apologise for not taking note of them but I'm bowing out of the discussion now. I've enjoyed it though it's been good and I'll definitely keep reading.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what I don't think is fair is how some people are scoffed at/ridiculed and belittled for their beliefs or religion..beyond that for me and what happens to anyone after they die is only for me to believe of myself and others to believe whatever they do for themselves...it's more to do with 'life' and the 'meaning' of if people believe there is one and what it is for them, rather than death or any 'beyond'....

religion is not special and it doesn't need to be treated with kid gloves. ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. and bigoted hateful ideas should be treated as bigoted hateful ideas and scoffed at and condemned. All major religions are hateful and bigoted, and they deserve all of the opposition they receive.

If religion was just your personal belief then why is it being shoved down our kids throats in school, and shoved down everyone's throats in politics?