[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I've already said Annie I would not have allowed it, I just don't trust the word of these two men, maybe they have done it because they were jealous ,but I do think money has a great deal to play in this,we all know he was very childlike and strange,but not seen any evidence that he was a peado.

I wasn't doubting you would let it happen to your.kids Kaz, I just can't believe that you, or anyone, could gloss over the fact that a grown man sleeping in the same room as non related boys is a normal occurrence and cant see that it is easily conceived to be a possible paedophile paradise to be given free access to pre-pubescent boys???

Given his money, legal team and advisors....why after the.first allegations and massive out of court settlement, did he not stop.....unless there was a "need" driving him????

[joeysteele]

Well, sorry but from watching this intently, I don't believe their accounts.

It strikes me the Parents were as strange as Michael Jackson.
It seems the moment these two got seemingly pushed out for Macaulay and the other one.

That is what is behind this storytelling now.

Macaulay and the other guy have continuously insisted nothing sexual took place with them and Michael.


I am with Kazanne on this.
I think had these done a confrontational documentary being independently questioned as to all their accounts.
I feel a lot of holes would appear in said accounts.

I'm not a strong Jackson fan, I like most, not all of his music.
I can't deny the history of pop would have a massive hole in it, without his input over the decades.

I've listened to them, long and hard tonight on this..
I've seen no passion or disdain for what they claim was done to them.

Sorry. I don't believe them.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well, sorry but from watching this intently, I don't believe their accounts.

It strikes me the Parents were as strange as Michael Jackson.
It seems the moment these two got seemingly pushed out for Macaulay and the other one.

That is what is behind this storytelling now.

Macaulay and the other guy have continuously insisted nothing sexual took place with them and Michael.


I am with Kazanne on this.
I think had these done a confrontational documentary being independently questioned as to all their accounts.
I feel a lot of holes would appear in said accounts.

I'm not a strong Jackson fan, I like most, not all of his music.
I can't deny the history of pop would have a massive hole in it, without his input over the decades.

I've listened to them, long and hard tonight on this..
I've seen no passion or disdain for what they claim was done to them.

Sorry. I don't believe them.

Again, no one doubts that the parents are at fault....but you can see that Michaels behaviour towards the boys is strange???

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well, sorry but from watching this intently, I don't believe their accounts.

It strikes me the Parents were as strange as Michael Jackson.
It seems the moment these two got seemingly pushed out for Macaulay and the other one.

That is what is behind this storytelling now.

Macaulay and the other guy have continuously insisted nothing sexual took place with them and Michael.


I am with Kazanne on this.
I think had these done a confrontational documentary being independently questioned as to all their accounts.
I feel a lot of holes would appear in said accounts.

I'm not a strong Jackson fan, I like most, not all of his music.
I can't deny the history of pop would have a massive hole in it, without his input over the decades.

I've listened to them, long and hard tonight on this..
I've seen no passion or disdain for what they claim was done to them.

Sorry. I don't believe them.

The other one was Corey Feldman who released a statement yesterday Joey, and another thing that bothers me now,WHY has the one guy kept the jewellery that this so called abuser brought him, that is not normal behaviour,I think you might be right that jealousy has paid a big part in this, now it's payback time,just a shame MJ is not here to defend himself, I am a fan of MJ I went to see him on his BAD tour,but I do admit he was not like us but I just think he was trying to relive his childhood somewhat,kids made him happy nothing wrong with that imo. and what must his poor kids be going through now.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The other one was Corey Feldman who released a statement yesterday Joey, and another thing that bothers me now,WHY has the one guy kept the jewellery that this so called abuser brought him, that is not normal behaviour,I think you might be right that jealousy has paid a big part in this, now it's payback time,just a shame MJ is not here to defend himself, I am a fan of MJ I went to see him on his BAD tour,but I do admit he was not like us but I just think he was trying to relive his childhood somewhat,kids made him happy nothing wrong with that imo. and what must his poor kids be going through now.

Do you expect someone who has been sexually abused to act rationally?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The other one was Corey Feldman who released a statement yesterday Joey, and another thing that bothers me now,WHY has the one guy kept the jewellery that this so called abuser brought him, that is not normal behaviour,I think you might be right that jealousy has paid a big part in this, now it's payback time,just a shame MJ is not here to defend himself, I am a fan of MJ I went to see him on his BAD tour,but I do admit he was not like us but I just think he was trying to relive his childhood somewhat,kids made him happy nothing wrong with that imo. and what must his poor kids be going through now.

His kids are probably going through the same hell as the kids he shared a bed with

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The other one was Corey Feldman who released a statement yesterday Joey, and another thing that bothers me now,WHY has the one guy kept the jewellery that this so called abuser brought him, that is not normal behaviour,I think you might be right that jealousy has paid a big part in this, now it's payback time,just a shame MJ is not here to defend himself, I am a fan of MJ I went to see him on his BAD tour,but I do admit he was not like us but I just think he was trying to relive his childhood somewhat,kids made him happy nothing wrong with that imo. and what must his poor kids be going through now.

The jewellery part helped lead me to not believe he was being genuine.

He admits even as a child, he loved jewellery.
He fiddled with the rings.
Shoving them on the end of his fingers.
Happily talking about them being bought for him.

No passion or no distress evident.

Then stating he didn't like looking at the jewellery after a fair inclusion of same in this documentary.

He's talking about being abused, things done he didn't like, not any clouding of his eyes.
Tears nowhere to be seen, a drought of them.

The only slight notable change of attitude was when they felt they were no longer a main part of Jackson's inner circle.
After the arrival of others.

I watched this starting with the intention to listen and give them the benefit of the doubt.
The longer it went on, I was just of the view they were far from being truthful on the supposed abuse.

Mixing likely false accusations along with genuine accounts of the times they were made to feel important.

I don't buy what they are saying at all.

[Firewire]

It's hard for someone who has never been sexually abused to accuse some of lying about child sexual abuse.

I believe the victims at this stage, why wouldn't I? Perhaps their accounts aren't 100% accurate (but is anything ever 100% accurate when retold after 30 years...?)

Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman have said nothing sexual happened to them... because perhaps it didn't? Just because he is an alleged abuser doesn't mean he abused everyone.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It's hard for someone who has never been sexually abused to accuse some of lying about child sexual abuse.

I believe the victims at this stage, why wouldn't I? Perhaps their accounts aren't 100% accurate (but is anything ever 100% accurate when retold after 30 years...?)

Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman have said nothing sexual happened to them... because perhaps it didn't? Just because he is an alleged abuser doesn't mean he abused everyone.

True, but Macaulay in particular was one of the closest to him, so it seems odd that if his interest in children was sexual, that he would not only avoid abuse but have no knowledge of any of this behaviour happening with all of these children he spent so much time with.

Corey Feldman, well his own story is an entire volume of its own. From his own account he was passed around quite a big network of Hollywood pedophiles. Jacko not being included in this group of powerful entertainment industry influencers is, again, interesting.

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

True, but Macaulay in particular was one of the closest to him, so it seems odd that if his interest in children was sexual, that he would not only avoid abuse but have no knowledge of any of this behaviour happening with all of these children he spent so much time with.

Corey Feldman, well his own story is an entire volume of its own. From his own account he was passed around quite a big network of Hollywood pedophiles. Jacko not being included in this group of powerful entertainment industry influencers is, again, interesting.

Macaulay Culkin And Corey Feldman were also already famous Hollywood actors prior to meeting Michael, and perhaps had more consciously involved parents that weren’t as blinded or manipulated by MJ’s starpower. They weren’t plucked from obscurity and groomed like Michael’s accusers and their families. It seems likely that he would theoretically choose his victims based on who he believed he could get away with abusing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by iRyan

Macaulay Culkin And Corey Feldman were also already famous Hollywood actors prior to meeting Michael, and perhaps had more consciously involved parents that weren’t as blinded or manipulated by MJ’s starpower. They weren’t plucked from obscurity and groomed like Michael’s accusers and their families. It seems likely that he would theoretically choose his victims based on who he believed he could get away with abusing.

Macauley Culkin was already friends with MJ before he hit the big time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you can't watch that and see two men not lying I'd suggest you are too young or blinded by fame

It's not complex

In fact it's pretty obvious

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you can't watch that and see two men not lying I'd suggest you are too young or blinded by fame

It's not complex

In fact it's pretty obvious

Oh we can't all be as old as you.

Some of our mind reading skills have yet to flourish.

[Niamh.]

So unless Michael abused every boy he met then he abused none of them? Good logic

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So unless Michael abused every boy he met then he abused none of them? Good logic

Kind of looks that way, the ones who have the most to lose (film stars/celebs) say it didn't happen so it couldn't have done

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Kind of looks that way, the ones who have the most to lose (film stars/celebs) say it didn't happen so it couldn't have done

What exactly does Corey Feldman have to lose by speaking out against Jackson?
He hasn't had much of a career beyond his films as a child star.

His entire life was ruined due to his abuse, and he's spoken about what happened to him for many years. Why would he draw the line at Jacko?

[Kazanne]

What's with the condemnation of MJ this week I switch to channel 5 and another documentary about him 'poor guy' let him bloody rest

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What's with the condemnation of MJ this week I switch to channel 5 and another documentary about him 'poor guy' let him bloody rest

They've seen the fame and attention MeToo has brought and want a slice of that action. They were refused when trying to capitalise on his death so now they've found another opening.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They've seen the fame and attention MeToo has brought and want a slice of that action. They were refused when trying to capitalise on his death so now they've found another opening.

Why are they always so negative about him this one is about his plastic surgery, he is gone , we all know how far he went ,so no need for this witch hunt

[Vicky.]

Off to watch this now anyway. Depending on the state of the thread in the morning, might be back

[Twosugars]

Watched it and remain sceptical about their claims.
He had Peter Pan syndrome, but that doesn't mean he was a paedo, sorry.

[Twosugars]

Wish you'd put it in a spoiler

Idk about Freddy, but I'd not buy a second hand car from him

[Jake.]

The “he missed his childhood” excuse people always use it completely bogus to me. My grandad didn’t have a childhood, he was beaten senseless by his father for the majority of his childhood life. Yet, he knew how to function as an adult and didn’t allow kids to share his bed.

If MJ was a regular member of society, living down your road, and had the bleached skin, ever-thinning nose and publicly stated that he saw no issues with hanging around with children on their own/having sleepovers in the same bed (and that’s before even going into the actual child molestation accusations), he’d be absolutely lambasted. The fact is, people don’t want to let go of the legacy he brought with his music.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jake.

The “he missed his childhood” excuse people always use it completely bogus to me. My grandad didn’t have a childhood, he was beaten senseless by his father for the majority of his childhood life. Yet, he knew how to function as an adult and didn’t allow kids to share his bed.

If MJ was a regular member of society, living down your road, and had the bleached skin, even-thinning nose and publicly stated that he saw no issues with hanging around with children on their own/having sleepovers in the same bed (and that’s before even going into the actual child molestation accusations), he’d be absolutely lambasted. The fact is, people don’t want to let go of the legacy he brought with his music.

Wrong Jake he had vitiligo which makes his skin have patches of white, that is a proven fact he did not bleach it he wore make up to even it out

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Wrong Jake he had vitiligo which makes his skin have patches of white, that is a proven fact he did not bleach it he wore make up to even it out

I’m fully aware of what it is, my mum has it. It’s not proven that he didn’t bleach his skin. It’s just proven that he had vitiligo.