[arista]

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[A Volodymyr Zelenskyy lookalike
managed to escape Ukraine - thanks to the
help from a Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin lookalike,]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Mondays Front Page:

[arista]

A British Reporter for CNN HD
went to Odessa, Nicky Paton Walsh.

Had to show his press card
to a jumpy young Ukraine patrol.



Newsnight BBC2HD
starts in Finland
who are now wanting to join NATO.
Their border is with Russia.



In Ukraine Zelenskyy
has stated he will NOT join NATO
thats a Russian demand.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

A British Reporter for CNN HD
went to Odessa, Nicky Paton Walsh.

Had to show his press card
to a jumpy young Ukraine patrol.



Newsnight BBC2HD
starts in Finland
who are now wanting to join NATO.
Their border is with Russia.



In Ukraine Zelenskyy
has stated he will NOT join NATO
thats a Russian demand.

I don't give a crap.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't give a crap.

Thats your right.

[UserSince2005]

Don’t do a deal with the devil zelensky, your winning this.

[Parmy]

So I wasnt allowed my granny over for a coffee a few months ago, but now it's ok to take in entire families from another country..

[bots]

the government do what the people want, and people seem to want to take in refugees

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the government do what the people want, and people seem to want to take in refugees

I couldn't give a crap.

[Alf]

The real question of the day is why have certain individuals been put on a sanction list by Putin.

That's a question your MSM won't be asking.

[bots]

i can only speak for myself, but i don't give a crap who is on putins sanction list

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can only speak for myself, but i don't give a crap who is on putins sanction list

What do you give a crap about?

[Alf]

Why Hilary Clinton but not Bill?

Why Hunter Biden? He's not even a politician.

Why not Trump or Obama?

Why Trudeau?


Any Colombo's or Poirot's or Miss Marple's out there who can solve this?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why Hilary Clinton but not Bill?

Why Hunter Biden? He's not even a politician.

Why not Trump or Obama?

Why Trudeau?


Any Colombo's or Poirot's or Miss Marple's out there who can solve this?

I mean the obvious answer there is that these 3 are all ex-US-presidents. I couldn't tell you WHY he hasn't listed any ex-US-presidents but it would at least explain the question of "Why Hilary but not Bill". If Trump and Obama aren't on there it makes sense that Bill Clinton isn't either.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean the obvious answer there is that these 3 are all ex-US-presidents. I couldn't tell you WHY he hasn't listed any ex-US-presidents but it would at least explain the question of "Why Hilary but not Bill". If Trump and Obama aren't on there it makes sense that Bill Clinton isn't either.

The current President is on there.

Maybe those on the list have some kind of money tied up in Ukraine?

It's all very dodgy and if we had a honest media they'd be trying to find out why. They can find out the details of Russian protesters in less than a day.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Alf

The current President is on there.

Maybe those on the list have some kind of money tied up in Ukraine?

It's all very dodgy and if we had a honest media they'd be trying to find out why. They can find out the details of Russian protesters in less than a day.

it's russia applying the sanctions, not ukraine, so if they had money tied up in ukraine it would make zero difference to them, the money needs to be in russia controlled institutions

[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-sergei-lavrov

What an outcome, neutrality in this instance seems the best option for Ukraine. They won't succumb to Russia but neither can they rely on the west to fully accept them, I think that was what the issue was with the no fly zone. I was Zelenskys way of saying protect us with this and Ukraine will join NATO and that didn't happen.
With the tension between east and west so great at the moment some neutral space is needed.

I really hope these peace discussions are able to end this soon.

[bots]

Zalinski has been very clever politically, nato wont accept anything but stable countries because of article 5, so ukraine has no chance of joining nato. Same with the eu actually, i would be surprised if they get access there either. The only reason ukraine has been able to defend itself is because of the help and training nato gave it. He knew nato's position but he can now use it as a bargaining chip with putin so thats cool

Ukraine was supposed to be a neutral zone, but politically they see themselves as europeans which hasnt helped reduce tensions for sure.

If ukraine come out of this with a democracy intact and holding on to the majority of their land it will be a good result. Crimea and the russian leaning areas are always going to be russian so ukraine would be best to accept that and let them go

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Zalinski has been very clever politically, nato wont accept anything but stable countries because of article 5, so ukraine has no chance of joining nato. Same with the eu actually, i would be surprised if they get access there either. The only reason ukraine has been able to defend itself is because of the help and training nato gave it. He knew nato's position but he can now use it as a bargaining chip with putin so thats cool

Realistically it's now very clear that Ukraine in NATO would make Ukraine a perpetual battleground... it would all but guarantee that if WW3 does ever kick off, Ukraine would be absolutely obliterated as one of the first major battlegrounds. No nation wants that role.

Ukraine was supposed to be a neutral zone, but politically they see themselves as europeans which hasnt helped reduce tensions for sure.

If ukraine come out of this with a democracy intact and holding on to the majority of their land it will be a good result. Crimea and the russian leaning areas are always going to be russian so ukraine would be best to accept that and let them go

I think something else that massively complicates this is that a lot of Russians, especially from the West of Russia, see themselves as culturally European-ish as well. Especially in Urban areas. A lot of their entertainment media is quite westernised as well, I've watched a few Russian series that could easily be set in the US or any European country other than the language spoken. Putin (et al.) are quite aware of this increasing trend and that in itself is quite likely considered a cultural threat to Russia. If the population is largely westernised then all it takes is a regime change (once Putin is gone?) and you potentially have a very, very different-looking Russia. LOTS of vested interest in that not happening.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think something else that massively complicates this is that a lot of Russians, especially from the West of Russia, see themselves as culturally European-ish as well. Especially in Urban areas. A lot of their entertainment media is quite westernised as well, I've watched a few Russian series that could easily be set in the US or any European country other than the language spoken. Putin (et al.) are quite aware of this increasing trend and that in itself is quite likely considered a cultural threat to Russia. If the population is largely westernised then all it takes is a regime change (once Putin is gone?) and you potentially have a very, very different-looking Russia. LOTS of vested interest in that not happening.

in the far east of russia, in vladivostok, their major trading partner is japan. I know japan isn't "western", but it has everything associated with western values. All the cars are japanese and they are all right hand drive All the tech is the latest and greatest from japan. So culturally, it's just not like the rest of russia at all. Even more interestingly, that is where the russian navy hq is. Until 30-40 years ago, vladivostok was a closed city, completely isolated/protected from the rest of russia

The point being that russia has problems in a lot of its regions, not just to the west

[Zizu]

Supposed Peace Treaty details

1. Russia agrees to withdraw from Ukraine all forces that they invaded Ukraine with on February 24.

2. Ukraine agrees to not join NATO, to not allow any foreign military bases or any foreign military equipment to be stored on Ukrainian soil.

3. In case of invasion by Russia, NATO agrees to immediately impose a No Fly Zone, to deploy anti-air equipment and to begin supplying Ukraine with military hardware without requiring approval from NATO civilian governments.

https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-...7-802b7fa77ef1

Depending on what happens with Crimea and the break-away regions, that part seems like a win for Ukraine, but also gives Russia enough to save face .


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[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Supposed Peace Treaty details

1. Russia agrees to withdraw from Ukraine all forces that they invaded Ukraine with on February 24.

2. Ukraine agrees to not join NATO, to not allow any foreign military bases or any foreign military equipment to be stored on Ukrainian soil.

3. In case of invasion by Russia, NATO agrees to immediately impose a No Fly Zone, to deploy anti-air equipment and to begin supplying Ukraine with military hardware without requiring approval from NATO civilian governments.

https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-...7-802b7fa77ef1

Depending on what happens with Crimea and the break-away regions, that part seems like a win for Ukraine, but also gives Russia enough to save face .


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Oh I hope so