[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

They’ll join the rest of people born and bred in the country then won’t they. But still very separate.

You claim there’s no money for pensioners and yet we spend more money on pensioners than anything else.

Do we, how do you make that out, we have the lowest pension rate in Europe, the triple lock was brought in to bring pensioners in line with Europe, still lagging behind. I don't claim it your government took away their winter fuel allowance

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You misunderstand but that is natural, I am not angry with immigrants, I am angry at the toothless incompetent government who have given their mates 10 year hotel contracts and cheap labour ...you are welcome

I don’t seem to recall you ever being this angry when migrants were in hotels under the tories, must be a new thing you’re suddenly paying attention to for some reason

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Do we, how do you make that out, we have the lowest pension rate in Europe, the triple lock was brought in to bring pensioners in line with Europe, still lagging behind. I don't claim it your government took away their winter fuel allowance

Did you read the list I posted? You can read the amounts paid yeah? I mean it’s there in black and white.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Probably a lot of the same people who were National Front in the 90s, BNP in the noughties, EDL in the 2010s

I do sympathise with the broader issue but there's always so many dodgy characters trying to take advantage

Yeah its a gift to the bad actors in all this

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t seem to recall you ever being this angry when migrants were in hotels under the tories, must be a new thing you’re suddenly paying attention to for some reason

I believe I was? You just need to go back over my posts, this government came in with a manifesto pledge to smash the gangs, how is that going for you?

[Beso]

A group of worried mothers and fathers have organised this protest, after complaints from their children.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Did you read the list I posted? You can read the amounts paid yeah? I mean it’s there in black and white.

Pensions and benefits lumped together, yes it is there, can you tell me which costs more? State pension is not a benefit or at least it wasn't until governments tried to lump it in with benefits, anyone can claim benefits, you need to have worked for 35 years and paid in to get a full state pension, it is not a benefit, people have worked for it

[Cherie]

Well I say anyone can claim benefits, I know numerous people who have been made redundant but couldn't claim anything until they had run through their redundancy

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Pensions and benefits lumped together, yes it is there, can you tell me which costs more? State pension is not a benefit or at least it wasn't until governments tried to lump it in with benefits, anyone can claim benefits, you need to have worked for 35 years and paid in to get a full state pension, it is not a benefit, people have worked for it

Pensioner Spending
£174.9 billion
Working-Age Benefits
£141.2 billion
Disability & Health Benefits
£75.3 billion
Housing Support
£35.3 billion
Total
£426.7 billion

[bots]

The state pension is an investment account that people pay into throughout their working lives, they then get that pot that they paid into back in a monthly payout when they retire. It's not a handout by government

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

The state pension is an investment account that people pay into throughout their working lives, they then get that pot that they paid into back in a monthly payout when they retire. It's not a handout by government

And that is why it is so disingenous to lump it in with benefits
Next they will be telling us that Occupational Pensions are a benefit because we pay in to those too, as does the employer

State pension is only paid as a benefit if the recipient has never worked

[Crimson Dynamo]

These protests primarily are about the safety of women and young girls. Would anyone like to attach a "cost" to that?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Pensioner Spending
£174.9 billion
Working-Age Benefits
£141.2 billion
Disability & Health Benefits
£75.3 billion
Housing Support
£35.3 billion
Total
£426.7 billion

These total the same as pensions, and most people on working age benefits will be in receipt of housing support, as previously stated pensions are paid for through your NI taken every month so they are not a benefit

The government love to tell you that pensioners are costing the earth when in fact they are just taking back pensions they paid into just like an occupational pension which is what successive governments have promised to do

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

These protests primarily are about the safety of women and young girls. Would anyone like to attach a "cost" to that?

err...tuppence

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

These total the same as pensions, and most people on working age benefits will be in receipt of housing support, as previously stated pensions are paid for through your NI taken every month so they are not a benefit

The government love to tell you that pensioners are costing the earth when in fact they are just taking back pensions they paid into just like an occupational pension which is what successive governments have promised to do

NI doesn’t go into some magic pension piggy bank with your name on it. It pays current pensioners. Always has. When you retire, it’ll be the next lot paying yours.

And like it or not, pensions are classed as benefits in the spending breakdown. £175 billion is still public money going out.

Also, saying most on benefits get housing support doesn’t cancel anything out, that’s just even more being spent.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bots

The state pension is an investment account that people pay into throughout their working lives, they then get that pot that they paid into back in a monthly payout when they retire. It's not a handout by government

Can I get it in one lump sum then please.

[arista]

Over 150,
illegal migrants brought into Dover.


on Sunday Night


BBC reported

[Glenn.]

[bots]

must be from Cornwall

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Blame the woke schools and Marxist teachers

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Blame the woke schools and Marxist teachers

Oh sweetie they haven’t been to school for a few decades. If at all.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Omg dead

I mean the point still stands but Jesus Christ how embarrassing

[arista]

T.Robinson due on Friday


Another Demo due on Sunday


Ref:ITV1HD London News

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Omg dead

I mean the point still stands but Jesus Christ how embarrassing

Its how essex pronounces, our.

[Oliver_W]

If the (attempted/) molesters were publicly named and shamed, and deported, I'd put money on the protests dwindling right down.

Why should they be enabled to take up time and money in our legal system when they should barely be here in the first place?