[SoBig]

Porsche and Kalia

[Roy Mars III]

I think this is going to be a very unsurprising week. Kalia, or if she wins POV, Porsche, will be going home. As much as I might like it, I can't see Adam going home this week.

[ILoveTRW]

if adam wins then the game gets flipped once again and jordon will be gone

[Gemmachi]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

if adam wins then the game gets flipped once again and jordon will be gone

Nope, Adam is up the vets' asses. He actually wants to go to the F3 with them. Why? I have no idea since it makes no logical sense, but whatever.

Last week's Pandora's Box REALLY screwed Porsche & Kalia out of the win this season.

[Roy Mars III]

To be honest, if Adam wins POV, it's probably better for him if he keeps things the same. The best thing for Adam would be for Kalia to leave. Because that means that the only ally Porsche has in the house is him.

Originally Posted by Gemmachi

Last week's Pandora's Box REALLY screwed Porsche & Kalia out of the win this season.

It was meant to.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

if adam wins then the game gets flipped once again and jordon will be gone

Not a chance in hell. Adam is with the vets 100%.

Adam wants Kalia gone.

[smartalec2718]

I hope Allison Grodner is happy

[Callum]

Originally Posted by smartalec2718

I hope Allison Grodner is happy

this, bet she's absolutely loving the recent turn of events.

Hope Kalia wins PoV

[Marc]

Shoooockeerrr!

[Marc]

I bet you, now will be the time Jordan or Adam win PoV (yes I know adam won it before but still he's a useless fat lump)

[ILoveTRW]

yeah i probably giving adam too much credit to say that he'd play the game

[lostalex]

All of the Noobs are pathetic. Jordan and Rachel are the only deserving winners.

Shelly was the only noob with any kind of respectable gameplay.

[Callum]

Jordan is not a deserving winner What has she done, other than ride coattails? Fair enough she's stepped up her game since Jeff's gone but that's because she's had no other choice because she can't rely on her man anymore!

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by smartalec2718

I hope Allison Grodner is happy

says the person who has Kalia as his fav.


Please educate me, what has Kalia done in this game except when Danielle was pulling her strings like a puppet? You root for Kalia, but Kalia has done NOTHING except when Danielle told her what to do.

Has Kalia made any real moves in the game without Danielle? NO.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Callum

Jordan is not a deserving winner What has she done, other than ride coattails? Fair enough she's stepped up her game since Jeff's gone but that's because she's had no other choice because she can't rely on her man anymore!

Jordan deserves nothing but the best! She's a beautiful person!

Maybe she's not as good a game player as Rachel, and i would be okay with Rachel winning the whole damn thing, but Jordan is by far the nicest person in that house.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by lostalex

says the person who has Kalia as his fav.


Please educate me, what has Kalia done in this game except when Danielle was pulling her strings like a puppet? You root for Kalia, but Kalia has done NOTHING except when Danielle told her what to do.

Has Kalia made any real moves in the game without Danielle? NO.

They were an alliance? Generally alliances have similar targets?

I really don't get your logic here.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

They were an alliance? Generally alliances have similar targets?

I really don't get your logic here.

my logic is that Kalia was just doing what Danielle told her to do, , Kalia never had any real game play of her own.

[Josiah.]

For Pandora's Box this week, Rachel got locked inside it with a houseguest from Seasons 10 and 11.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Coldwinter63

For Pandora's Box this week, Rachel got locked inside it with a houseguest from Seasons 10 and 11.

jessie??? would be hillarious. lol/

[smartalec2718]

Originally Posted by lostalex

All of the Noobs are pathetic. Jordan and Rachel are the only deserving winners.

Shelly was the only noob with any kind of respectable gameplay. (1)





says the person who has Kalia as his fav.

Please educate me, what has Kalia done in this game except when Danielle was pulling her strings like a puppet? You root for Kalia, but Kalia has done NOTHING except when Danielle told her what to do.

Has Kalia made any real moves in the game without Danielle? NO. (2)




Jordan deserves nothing but the best! She's a beautiful person!

Maybe she's not as good a game player as Rachel, and i would be okay with Rachel winning the whole damn thing, but Jordan is by far the nicest person in that house. (3)





my logic is that Kalia was just doing what Danielle told her to do, , Kalia never had any real game play of her own. (4)





jessie??? would be hillarious. lol/ (5)

I have culled your posts from this thread into one quote and numbered them so I can respond to each in kind.

1. ...says the person who has Jordan as his fav. Please educate me, what has Jordan done in this game except when Jeff was pulling her strings like a puppet? You root for Jordan, but Jordan has done NOTHING except when Jeff told her what to do. Has Jordan made any real moves in the game without Jeff? NO.

...Now why does that sound familiar?

In all seriousness though, your attack on my favorite remaining houseguests could be replaced with Jeff and Jordan's names and it makes perfect sense. I'm not claiming to be the holder of objective truth here, but I AM pointing out that you're not either.

Here's my evidence: Jordan wanted Dominic out because Jeff wanted Dominic out. After Dominic won the veto in Week 2, Brenchel pressured Jordan into putting Cassi and Shelly up, even though Jordan liked both of them - and she knew the plan was to vote her friend Cassi out. She never would have done that on her own. And Jeff has told Jordan how to vote every week. You might say they were "collaborating" because they were in the same alliance, but then I say that's exactly what Daniele and Kalia were doing.

Another important point is that, as their name implies, the vets have played BB before. So they have an inherent advantage in their heightened familiarity and comfort with the game. Naturally Jeff and Daniele, the two strongest vets in the house after Dick left, were going to be the leaders of opposite sides of the house and butt heads. As a newbie it would be hard to stand up and really make power moves in that kind of dynamic, and to be honest, with players of that caliber going after each other, you wouldn't really have to. So you can't assess the newbies' gameplay on the same level as the veterans'.



2. Second, I don't have Kalia as my favorite. If you look at the handy little sidebar, you'll see that it says, "BB13USA fav: Daniele." I hope that clears that up for you. My sig says "supporting Kalia and Porsche" by default because they are Daniele's surviving alliance members. Furthermore, believe what you want about Kalia, but here are the game moves she made: she defected to the vets' side and had their protection until week 3, then won a critical HOH after Brendon was out the first time, she admittedly screwed up her noms in week 5 but Daniele DID NOT tell her to put up Jeff, Rachel, OR Lawon, then she won the fast-forward HOH and got Jeff out when Daniele wasn't even in the house. So, yes, she has made game moves without Daniele.




3. This is part of the classic debate over what characteristics "deserve" to win BB. At heart, I believe that BB is a game of lying, manipulating, strategy, and to an extent, competition wins. As such I believe that the best gameplayers deserve to win. In that house, Kalia, Porsche and Rachel have played the game. Jordan has done nothing but have an HOH thrown to her before sitting around for 5 weeks because either her allies protected her or her enemies didn't want to waste an HOH week getting her, as a non-entity, out. I don't believe that people deserve to win BB for being "nice," or as you put it, "a beautiful person." (Whether Jordan is actually nice is also debatable, but no need to open that can of worms here.) Boogie was certainly not a very nice person, but he definitely deserved to win over Erika. That's also why season 3 was such a travesty - I seem to recall you're a fan of Danielle Reyes, who was robbed that season when everyone in her cast voted for Lisa to win because Lisa was nicer than Danielle and Danielle had said mean things in the DR. But it's a known fact that Danielle played a game far superior to Lisa. BB fans caused such an uproar over that outcome that the concept of the jury was introduced, so I don't think I'm alone in wanting the best players to win over nice people.



4. Believe your "logic" if you want, I'm not here to dissuade you, just to state my views. See my second point for this one.



5. No, it would not be hilarious, because they did the same thing to Britney last year.



Hope that clears up my view on things. I don't expect you to change your mind, I just expect you to stop making false assertions about what I believe.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by smartalec2718

I have culled your posts from this thread into one quote and numbered them so I can respond to each in kind.

1. ...says the person who has Jordan as his fav. Please educate me, what has Jordan done in this game except when Jeff was pulling her strings like a puppet? You root for Jordan, but Jordan has done NOTHING except when Jeff told her what to do. Has Jordan made any real moves in the game without Jeff? NO.

...Now why does that sound familiar?

In all seriousness though, your attack on my favorite remaining houseguests could be replaced with Jeff and Jordan's names and it makes perfect sense. I'm not claiming to be the holder of objective truth here, but I AM pointing out that you're not either.

Here's my evidence: Jordan wanted Dominic out because Jeff wanted Dominic out. After Dominic won the veto in Week 2, Brenchel pressured Jordan into putting Cassi and Shelly up, even though Jordan liked both of them - and she knew the plan was to vote her friend Cassi out. She never would have done that on her own. And Jeff has told Jordan how to vote every week. You might say they were "collaborating" because they were in the same alliance, but then I say that's exactly what Daniele and Kalia were doing.

Another important point is that, as their name implies, the vets have played BB before. So they have an inherent advantage in their heightened familiarity and comfort with the game. Naturally Jeff and Daniele, the two strongest vets in the house after Dick left, were going to be the leaders of opposite sides of the house and butt heads. As a newbie it would be hard to stand up and really make power moves in that kind of dynamic, and to be honest, with players of that caliber going after each other, you wouldn't really have to. So you can't assess the newbies' gameplay on the same level as the veterans'.



2. Second, I don't have Kalia as my favorite. If you look at the handy little sidebar, you'll see that it says, "BB13USA fav: Daniele." I hope that clears that up for you. My sig says "supporting Kalia and Porsche" by default because they are Daniele's surviving alliance members. Furthermore, believe what you want about Kalia, but here are the game moves she made: she defected to the vets' side and had their protection until week 3, then won a critical HOH after Brendon was out the first time, she admittedly screwed up her noms in week 5 but Daniele DID NOT tell her to put up Jeff, Rachel, OR Lawon, then she won the fast-forward HOH and got Jeff out when Daniele wasn't even in the house. So, yes, she has made game moves without Daniele.




3. This is part of the classic debate over what characteristics "deserve" to win BB. At heart, I believe that BB is a game of lying, manipulating, strategy, and to an extent, competition wins. As such I believe that the best gameplayers deserve to win. In that house, Kalia, Porsche and Rachel have played the game. Jordan has done nothing but have an HOH thrown to her before sitting around for 5 weeks because either her allies protected her or her enemies didn't want to waste an HOH week getting her, as a non-entity, out. I don't believe that people deserve to win BB for being "nice," or as you put it, "a beautiful person." (Whether Jordan is actually nice is also debatable, but no need to open that can of worms here.) Boogie was certainly not a very nice person, but he definitely deserved to win over Erika. That's also why season 3 was such a travesty - I seem to recall you're a fan of Danielle Reyes, who was robbed that season when everyone in her cast voted for Lisa to win because Lisa was nicer than Danielle and Danielle had said mean things in the DR. But it's a known fact that Danielle played a game far superior to Lisa. BB fans caused such an uproar over that outcome that the concept of the jury was introduced, so I don't think I'm alone in wanting the best players to win over nice people.



4. Believe your "logic" if you want, I'm not here to dissuade you, just to state my views. See my second point for this one.



5. No, it would not be hilarious, because they did the same thing to Britney last year.



Hope that clears up my view on things. I don't expect you to change your mind, I just expect you to stop making false assertions about what I believe.

I agree with everything you've said. I've never claimed that Jordan was a great game player though, in fact i've always said i only want Jordan to win because i like her the most, and I think she's a nice person. I've never said that Jordan was a great game player.

I don't know where you got the idea that i ever said that Jordan was a great game player.

[smartalec2718]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I agree with everything you've said. I've never claimed that Jordan was a great game player though, in fact i've always said i only want Jordan to win because i like her the most, and I think she's a nice person. I've never said that Jordan was a great game player.

I don't know where you got the idea that i ever said that Jordan was a great game player.

OK...but where did I say Kalia or Porsche was a great gameplayer? If I recall correctly, the only thing I said in this thread was "I hope Allison Grodner is happy," and your response to that was to launch into your anti-Kalia post.

And to be honest your opinion of Jordan's game is moot. The fact is that you want her to win, and one point of my post was to demonstrate why she shouldn't win. I went about that by explaining my view of why she is not a good gameplayer, and thus by my standards is not a deserving winner. I didn't accuse you of thinking she has great game (to do so would be to unnecessarily insult your intelligence ). However I don't think it's fair to attack my choice of houseguest and insult their game when your favorite houseguest is Jordan. Just saying.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

All of the Noobs are pathetic. Jordan and Rachel are the only deserving winners.

Shelly was the only noob with any kind of respectable gameplay.

How is Jordan deserving? And how is Rachel deserving? o_o

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

How is Jordan deserving? And how is Rachel deserving? o_o

Jordan deserves nothing but goodness and light (and 1/2 a million bucks) because she's lovely.

Rachel deserves to win because she's actually fought hard in this game.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by smartalec2718

OK...but where did I say Kalia or Porsche was a great gameplayer? If I recall correctly, the only thing I said in this thread was "I hope Allison Grodner is happy," and your response to that was to launch into your anti-Kalia post.

And to be honest your opinion of Jordan's game is moot. The fact is that you want her to win, and one point of my post was to demonstrate why she shouldn't win. I went about that by explaining my view of why she is not a good gameplayer, and thus by my standards is not a deserving winner. I didn't accuse you of thinking she has great game (to do so would be to unnecessarily insult your intelligence ). However I don't think it's fair to attack my choice of houseguest and insult their game when your favorite houseguest is Jordan. Just saying.

how rude.

...and i didn't attack you dude, just having a conversation. chill.