[smartalec2718]

Originally Posted by lostalex

All of the Noobs are pathetic. Jordan and Rachel are the only deserving winners.

Shelly was the only noob with any kind of respectable gameplay. (1)





says the person who has Kalia as his fav.

Please educate me, what has Kalia done in this game except when Danielle was pulling her strings like a puppet? You root for Kalia, but Kalia has done NOTHING except when Danielle told her what to do.

Has Kalia made any real moves in the game without Danielle? NO. (2)




Jordan deserves nothing but the best! She's a beautiful person!

Maybe she's not as good a game player as Rachel, and i would be okay with Rachel winning the whole damn thing, but Jordan is by far the nicest person in that house. (3)





my logic is that Kalia was just doing what Danielle told her to do, , Kalia never had any real game play of her own. (4)





jessie??? would be hillarious. lol/ (5)

I have culled your posts from this thread into one quote and numbered them so I can respond to each in kind.

1. ...says the person who has Jordan as his fav. Please educate me, what has Jordan done in this game except when Jeff was pulling her strings like a puppet? You root for Jordan, but Jordan has done NOTHING except when Jeff told her what to do. Has Jordan made any real moves in the game without Jeff? NO.

...Now why does that sound familiar?

In all seriousness though, your attack on my favorite remaining houseguests could be replaced with Jeff and Jordan's names and it makes perfect sense. I'm not claiming to be the holder of objective truth here, but I AM pointing out that you're not either.

Here's my evidence: Jordan wanted Dominic out because Jeff wanted Dominic out. After Dominic won the veto in Week 2, Brenchel pressured Jordan into putting Cassi and Shelly up, even though Jordan liked both of them - and she knew the plan was to vote her friend Cassi out. She never would have done that on her own. And Jeff has told Jordan how to vote every week. You might say they were "collaborating" because they were in the same alliance, but then I say that's exactly what Daniele and Kalia were doing.

Another important point is that, as their name implies, the vets have played BB before. So they have an inherent advantage in their heightened familiarity and comfort with the game. Naturally Jeff and Daniele, the two strongest vets in the house after Dick left, were going to be the leaders of opposite sides of the house and butt heads. As a newbie it would be hard to stand up and really make power moves in that kind of dynamic, and to be honest, with players of that caliber going after each other, you wouldn't really have to. So you can't assess the newbies' gameplay on the same level as the veterans'.



2. Second, I don't have Kalia as my favorite. If you look at the handy little sidebar, you'll see that it says, "BB13USA fav: Daniele." I hope that clears that up for you. My sig says "supporting Kalia and Porsche" by default because they are Daniele's surviving alliance members. Furthermore, believe what you want about Kalia, but here are the game moves she made: she defected to the vets' side and had their protection until week 3, then won a critical HOH after Brendon was out the first time, she admittedly screwed up her noms in week 5 but Daniele DID NOT tell her to put up Jeff, Rachel, OR Lawon, then she won the fast-forward HOH and got Jeff out when Daniele wasn't even in the house. So, yes, she has made game moves without Daniele.




3. This is part of the classic debate over what characteristics "deserve" to win BB. At heart, I believe that BB is a game of lying, manipulating, strategy, and to an extent, competition wins. As such I believe that the best gameplayers deserve to win. In that house, Kalia, Porsche and Rachel have played the game. Jordan has done nothing but have an HOH thrown to her before sitting around for 5 weeks because either her allies protected her or her enemies didn't want to waste an HOH week getting her, as a non-entity, out. I don't believe that people deserve to win BB for being "nice," or as you put it, "a beautiful person." (Whether Jordan is actually nice is also debatable, but no need to open that can of worms here.) Boogie was certainly not a very nice person, but he definitely deserved to win over Erika. That's also why season 3 was such a travesty - I seem to recall you're a fan of Danielle Reyes, who was robbed that season when everyone in her cast voted for Lisa to win because Lisa was nicer than Danielle and Danielle had said mean things in the DR. But it's a known fact that Danielle played a game far superior to Lisa. BB fans caused such an uproar over that outcome that the concept of the jury was introduced, so I don't think I'm alone in wanting the best players to win over nice people.



4. Believe your "logic" if you want, I'm not here to dissuade you, just to state my views. See my second point for this one.



5. No, it would not be hilarious, because they did the same thing to Britney last year.



Hope that clears up my view on things. I don't expect you to change your mind, I just expect you to stop making false assertions about what I believe.