[Miranda123]

.....................But you talk bollocks!!

Who'd pay for a psychotherapist who thought it was impossible for some people to change???

[Jordan.]

She was right about Chris

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

She was right about Chris

My next door neighbours dog was right about Chris, he's walking around with a perv tag round his neck ffs (Chris is, not my next door neighbours dog)

She's a con artist on retainer is what she is!

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

My next door neighbours dog was right about Chris, he's walking around with a perv tag round his neck ffs (Chris is, not my next door neighbours dog)

She's a con artist on retainer is what she is!

How can he be a perv when he hasnt done anything, he is up front and honest with his views, he isnt hiding behind glasses and looking over them as Pav is. He isnt judging anyone now. He is in a safe place of being accepted by the old HMs. He has been honest with Pav who has been going from pillar to post to find out how he can mingle better.

He appreciates Ashleighs boyfriend and values their friendship which, as I have said, was cemented by Ashleigh after Danielle left. So are we saying that an 18 year old cannot have a friendship with a 33 year old and vice versa? Too many jumping on the bandwagon now and not putting things into prospective. I have many younger friends and older ones, it is called the fellowship of man and nothing pervy about it.

I would say that Judy whatever her name is, has self issues which she needs to air and to find her true self and not dump her values on other people.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by Jules2

How can he be a perv when he hasnt done anything, he is up front and honest with his views, he isnt hiding behind glasses and looking over them as Pav is. He isnt judging anyone now. He is in a safe place of being accepted by the old HMs. He has been honest with Pav who has been going from pillar to post to find out how he can mingle better.

He appreciates Ashleighs boyfriend and values their friendship which, as I have said, was cemented by Ashleigh after Danielle left. So are we saying that an 18 year old cannot have a friendship with a 33 year old and vice versa? Too many jumping on the bandwagon now and not putting things into prospective. I have many younger friends and older ones, it is called the fellowship of man and nothing pervy about it.

I would say that Judy whatever her name is, has self issues which she needs to air and to find her true self and not dump her values on other people.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

She was right about Chris

For you? And then she is psychotherapist???

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

She was right about Chris

No way was she right, she mentioned him laying on the bed and Ashleigh sitting by him as being cringeworthy. How narrow minded can one be, Ashleigh obviously wanted to talk to Chris as she knew he listened. A lot of these people should be presented with solicitor letters for their inuendos and the flaying of personalities, or is BB exempt from this sort of thing? Cant stand the woman or any of them tbh and that one who is always flickng her hair, what is that about?

The woman has seen how the programme is manipulated by BB and yet she follows the sheep for recognition.......get a job you lot!!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

.....................But you talk bollocks!!

Who'd pay for a psychotherapist who thought it was impossible for some people to change???

She is really pathetic, they all are really but I find she talks even more nonsense.
I honestly haven't a clue why bbbots time is consumed by having these fame desperate people on in the first place.

[Mystic Mock]

Chris needs some sexual healing from Kimbot lol.

[Josy]

What did she say?

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Josy

What did she say?

the complete obvious about Chris, he has a crush on Ashleigh (theyre paying her for this stuff, when they could get that info on here for free)

and she said that Helen couldnt change and that she would always be nasty and that she is playing nice cause she can see the final

I can understand the forum users who hate Helen saying that, I would too if I didnt like her, but a professional (supposed) saying she cant change??

Im betting she got her diploma on the internet.....

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Im betting she got her diploma on the internet.....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

the complete obvious about Chris, he has a crush on Ashleigh (theyre paying her for this stuff, when they could get that info on here for free)

and she said that Helen couldnt change and that she would always be nasty and that she is playing nice cause she can see the final

I can understand the forum users who hate Helen saying that, I would too if I didnt like her, but a professional (supposed) saying she cant change??

Im betting she got her diploma on the internet.....

She didn't actually say that, what she said was that she didn't feel like Helen has changed because nothing in there would have made her feel the need to. That her bad behaviour has been rewarded by the other HMs so she doesn't feel this change she's trying to portray is real

Infact she did actually specifically say "I'm not saying people can't change"

[Alf]

What Josy said

[Jords]

I thought she was pretty accurate regarding both Helen and Chris.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jords

I thought she was pretty accurate regarding both Helen and Chris.

Me too...

[GypsyGoth]

The only thing I was paying attention for was how she said that Helen can't be bothered picking on the new people, so because of that Chris is picking on Pav, Chris is trying to establish that he has higher status than him.

And she also mentioned the bad treatment from Mark towards Christopher and how he said something like - I'd be so proud of you if you did it. Regarding him drinking the soya sauce and other condiments. She said that was one of the worst ways of trying to get someone to do something, maybe she said it was sly.

Anyway I must admit that I do like listening to her.

[debee]

I hear them saying Helen is still nasty underneath , can't change etc but Ashleigh it has been said, has changed , been on a journey and learnt. So why can one person be on a journey, learn from it and change, but not Helen. I feel really sorry for her that none of the so called professionals can see the difference. I think they go with what they think the public want to hear. For pitys sake give Helen a break. Mark has changed for the worse , how he treats Christopher is really not nice.

[Jake.]

Judy >>

[Bedouin]

Judi James is not a psychotherapist; she is some kind of a 'body language expert' which is pretty far off of being able to have a truly deep and insightful understanding of the human condition.

This is evidenced not only by her qualification but also her lack of compassion and, by the sounds of it, her patently untrue statement that Helen will be unable to change. Anyone who understands self knowledge and therapy will get that such changes are difficult but not impossible. (to learn about self knowledge try Daniel Mackler on YouTube for some very insightful and instructive, potentially life-changing videos.)

I see what she is saying; some people are seen as simply being unable to change... But all it takes is the right approach, and for the person trying to change to truly understand that it will be difficult and to very much want to improve themselves. 2 + 1 ≠ 2

Maybe Helen is one of those 'unchangeable' people but judging from what we've seen I don't believe so.

There is also the fact that she judges everyone's behaviour (from past episodes that I've seen her talk on) on the merit that they are not even humans but animals, or base tribal morons of some other reductionistic sort. She doesn't address the nuance and the more personal aspects of people's psyches. Maybe I am a bit off-point here as I have not seen her talk in a few weeks.

And I must add, that she has some pretty damn interesting insights, but then seems to undo them with a completely weird left-field comment which doesn't make any sense. Her conclusions tend to come from an assumption that people's intent is generally negative, and that people always have alterior motives, which has become too predictable to be based off of any kind of nuanced and balanced perspective.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Bedouin

Judi James is not a psychotherapist; she is some kind of a 'body language expert' which is pretty far off of being able to have a truly deep and insightful understanding of the human condition.

This is evidenced not only by her qualification but also her lack of compassion and, by the sounds of it, her patently untrue statement that Helen will be unable to change. Anyone who understands self knowledge and therapy will get that such changes are difficult but not impossible. (to learn about self knowledge try Daniel Mackler on YouTube for some very insightful and instructive, potentially life-changing videos.)

I see what she is saying; some people are seen as simply being unable to change... But all it takes is the right approach, and for the person trying to change to truly understand that it will be difficult and to very much want to improve themselves. 2 + 1 ≠ 2

Maybe Helen is one of those 'unchangeable' people but judging from what we've seen I don't believe so.

There is also the fact that she judges everyone's behaviour (from past episodes that I've seen her talk on) on the merit that they are not even humans but animals, or base tribal morons of some other reductionistic sort. She doesn't address the nuance and the more personal aspects of people's psyches. Maybe I am a bit off-point here as I have not seen her talk in a few weeks.

And I must add, that she has some pretty damn interesting insights, but then seems to undo them with a completely weird left-field comment which doesn't make any sense. Her conclusions tend to come from an assumption that people's intent is generally negative, and that people always have alterior motives, which has become too predictable to be based off of any kind of nuanced and balanced perspective.

Very balanced post

Did not like the word "runts" for the uncool group either.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Bedouin

Judi James is not a psychotherapist; she is some kind of a 'body language expert' which is pretty far off of being able to have a truly deep and insightful understanding of the human condition.

This is evidenced not only by her qualification but also her lack of compassion and, by the sounds of it, her patently untrue statement that Helen will be unable to change. Anyone who understands self knowledge and therapy will get that such changes are difficult but not impossible. (to learn about self knowledge try Daniel Mackler on YouTube for some very insightful and instructive, potentially life-changing videos.)

I see what she is saying; some people are seen as simply being unable to change... But all it takes is the right approach, and for the person trying to change to truly understand that it will be difficult and to very much want to improve themselves. 2 + 1 ≠ 2



Maybe Helen is one of those 'unchangeable' people but judging from what we've seen I don't believe so.

There is also the fact that she judges everyone's behaviour (from past episodes that I've seen her talk on) on the merit that they are not even humans but animals, or base tribal morons of some other reductionistic sort. She doesn't address the nuance and the more personal aspects of people's psyches. Maybe I am a bit off-point here as I have not seen her talk in a few weeks.

And I must add, that she has some pretty damn interesting insights, but then seems to undo them with a completely weird left-field comment which doesn't make any sense. Her conclusions tend to come from an assumption that people's intent is generally negative, and that people always have alterior motives, which has become too predictable to be based off of any kind of nuanced and balanced perspective.

Life is a learning curb, sadly those with just a little bit of knowledge believe they have the answers to everything. Your post is great. Many people are very arrogant at times but there will possibly come a time when they learn that if we touch the fire it burns, we therefore deal with the fall out and learn if we are sensible. I believe that Helen has been on a "journey" and I wish her luck along with the others.

I wonder who BOTS will be hitting tonight, Chris, Zoe or Pav. I think the HMs have all done Pav a favour though and he may be safe. I guess it will be Chris again.....

[LukeB]

Axe judi james

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Axe judi james

Axe the lot of them for me, the only one I find interesting is the 'dancing body language' guy.
He's on bbbots tonight I think.

[debee]

Well put Bedouin.