[Denver]

By saying that if woman go around showing flesh some people think they deserve to be raped it was the biggest piece of BS ever and you could tell she was trying to turn the house on Ken

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by adamski94

By saying that if woman go around showing flesh some people think they deserve to be raped it was the biggest piece of BS ever and you could tell she was trying to turn the house on Ken

And she did it ,once again Katie showed integrity by keeping out of it as ddi Kav and Alex

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by adamski94

By saying that if woman go around showing flesh some people think they deserve to be raped it was the biggest piece of BS ever and you could tell she was trying to turn the house on Ken

I agree, Nadia is a stirrer.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And she did it ,once again Katie showed integrity by keeping out of it as ddi Kav and Alex

I think bring rape out of nowhere was disgraceful

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by adamski94

I think bring rape out of nowhere was disgraceful

A vile, evil cow

[Niamh.]

I don't think she was accusing Jeremy of rape or anything like it. It was more a reflection on what Ken said to Chloe about what she was wearing. I thought it myself yesterday on here when people were blaming Chloe because she only had a dressing gown on, it was nothing to do with what jeremy actually did and more to do with what people were saying that about Chloe and that she almost deserved to have her clothes pulled open because of what she was wearing.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A vile, evil cow

This

[Vanessa]

I can't stand her now. I know Ken was awful, but she's not much better.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think she was accusing Jeremy of rape or anything like it. It was more a reflection on what Ken said to Chloe about what she was wearing. I thought it myself yesterday on here when people were blaming Chloe because she only had a dressing gown on, it was nothing to do with what jeremy actually did and more to do with what people were saying that about Chloe and that she almost deserved to have her clothes pulled open because of what she was wearing.

I think she naively allowed herself to be vulnerable but that is in no way saying she deserved anything and has nothing to do with what she was wearing. I think that people read a lot more into what others say sometimes and add on implications that are not voiced.

I think that you can have an opinion on the circumstances without people assuming you think she deserved what happened. Its like a horror film. They always go upstairs when they hear the noise. I'm sitting here by the TV thinking, noooo run away.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think she naively allowed herself to be vulnerable but that is in no way saying she deserved anything and has nothing to do with what she was wearing. I think that people read a lot more into what others say sometimes and add on implications that are not voiced.

This is what Ken told Chloe, she naively put herself in that position. He at no time say it was basically ok to rape a woman because she wore a short skirt & low cut top which is what Nadia told the others he had said.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ellen

This is what Ken told Chloe, she naively put herself in that position. He at no time say it was basically ok to rape a woman because she wore a short skirt & low cut top which is what Nadia told the others he had said.

Ken was kind of right on that and Nadia did exactly what people on the forums do, she embellished it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think she was accusing Jeremy of rape or anything like it. It was more a reflection on what Ken said to Chloe about what she was wearing. I thought it myself yesterday on here when people were blaming Chloe because she only had a dressing gown on, it was nothing to do with what jeremy actually did and more to do with what people were saying that about Chloe and that she almost deserved to have her clothes pulled open because of what she was wearing.

The big difference is that although you may not like the view being expressed by the member on the forum, it is an opinion that they are entitled to have, right or wrong. Ken on the other hand got minced because they are on a TV show, and they want to improve their chances of winning

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A vile, evil cow

She quickly becoming the new Pauline.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

She quickly becoming the new Pauline.

Yes!

[Niamh.]

I still disagree, don't get me wrong I think Nadia was really inflaming the situation last night but I get the comparison she was making on that one thing. Kens attitude was to blame the girl, feel sorry for the poor guy which is wrong and it did sound very much like that whole "oh she deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing" His attitude towards women and their role in life seems extremely primitive and very sexist, this was demonstrated a number of times by a number of comments, the worst being (imo) what he said to Chloe about Jeremy being a movie producer or whatever and she basically should have let him do what he wanted so she might further her career

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still disagree, don't get me wrong I think Nadia was really inflaming the situation last night but I get the comparison she was making on that one thing. Kens attitude was to blame the girl, feel sorry for the poor guy which is wrong and it did sound very much like that whole "oh she deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing" His attitude towards women and their role in life seems extremely primitive and very sexist, this was demonstrated a number of times by a number of comments, the worst being (imo) what he said to Chloe about Jeremy being a movie producer or whatever and she basically should have let him do what he wanted so she might further her career

That comment alone showed his disturbing sexist mindset.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still disagree, don't get me wrong I think Nadia was really inflaming the situation last night but I get the comparison she was making on that one thing. Kens attitude was to blame the girl, feel sorry for the poor guy which is wrong and it did sound very much like that whole "oh she deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing" His attitude towards women and their role in life seems extremely primitive and very sexist, this was demonstrated a number of times by a number of comments, the worst being (imo) what he said to Chloe about Jeremy being a movie producer or whatever and she basically should have let him do what he wanted so she might further her career

I'm not trying to defend Ken and his statement, don't get me wrong. But that comment you took such offense to is not breaking the law, you may not agree with it, but he is perfectly entitled to say it. This is the danger with PC related topics. It suffers from scope creep where things get added to the bucket that is "not correct to say", and before we know it, people can't say anything any more.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm not trying to defend Ken and his statement, don't get me wrong. But that comment you took such offense to is not breaking the law, you may not agree with it, but he is perfectly entitled to say it. This is the danger with PC related topics. It suffers from scope creep where things get added to the bucket that is "not correct to say", and before we know it, people can't say anything any more.

I never said it was against the law, I said it was incredibly sexist as I am perfectly entitled to say also.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still disagree, don't get me wrong I think Nadia was really inflaming the situation last night but I get the comparison she was making on that one thing. Kens attitude was to blame the girl, feel sorry for the poor guy which is wrong and it did sound very much like that whole "oh she deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing" His attitude towards women and their role in life seems extremely primitive and very sexist, this was demonstrated a number of times by a number of comments, the worst being (imo) what he said to Chloe about Jeremy being a movie producer or whatever and she basically should have let him do what he wanted so she might further her career

On the comment about the movie producer ken was completely inappropriate. I agree with you on that. I don't agree that thinking she was probably silly to be alone in the toilet with someone very drunk is saying she deserved it. No situation is black and white. I have some sympathy for both of them because it was clearly a spur of the moment drunken mistake that was upsetting for her and is going to publicly haunt him for a long time. What it wasnt from what I saw and heard was some kind of predetory attack.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

She quickly becoming the new Pauline.

To think Ive been a fan of Nadia for years, I never knew what she was really like ,I think she's opened a lot of eyes to the real her

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm not trying to defend Ken and his statement, don't get me wrong. But that comment you took such offense to is not breaking the law, you may not agree with it, but he is perfectly entitled to say it. This is the danger with PC related topics. It suffers from scope creep where things get added to the bucket that is "not correct to say", and before we know it, people can't say anything any more.

He can say what he wants. Just as people can comment on his outdated, disturbing views.

Go in to work tomorrow and tell the women at work that to get ahead in their job they should be willing to accept sexual advances or comments from men in positions of power. Then report back here.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

On the comment about the movie producer ken was completely inappropriate. I agree with you on that. I don't agree that thinking she was probably silly to be alone in the toilet with someone very drunk is saying she deserved it. No situation is black and white. I have some sympathy for both of them because it was clearly a spur of the moment drunken mistake that was upsetting for her and is going to publicly haunt him for a long time. What it wasnt from what I saw and heard was some kind of predetory attack.

I actually agree with the BIB, what my main gripe here is though, is people blaming Chloe for any of it or saying she milked it or purposely acted the way she did to get him kicked out, that's unfair imo

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

He can say what he wants. Just as people can comment on his outdated, disturbing views.

Go in to work tomorrow and tell the women at work that to get ahead in their job they should be willing to accept sexual advances or comments from men in positions of power. Then report back here.

I think you are taking what the original poster said completely out of context.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think you are taking what the original poster said completely out of context.

Really? The poster made out that the reaction to Ken's comments is overly PC. Like it's a bad thing.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still disagree, don't get me wrong I think Nadia was really inflaming the situation last night but I get the comparison she was making on that one thing. Kens attitude was to blame the girl, feel sorry for the poor guy which is wrong and it did sound very much like that whole "oh she deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing" His attitude towards women and their role in life seems extremely primitive and very sexist, this was demonstrated a number of times by a number of comments, the worst being (imo) what he said to Chloe about Jeremy being a movie producer or whatever and she basically should have let him do what he wanted so she might further her career

you got it in a nutshell Niamh