[sampvt]

By definition the word is , as explained by our modern dictionaries is......

An action that a person uses superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.

Now I am no expert on the subject and normally I refrain from getting involved in these petty disputes, but it seems to me that Perez has discovered that he cant win by fair means, after last weeks boos, so he is resorting to unfair means which is being okeyd by BB.

Ken gets oiked and Jeremy has been evicted and both deserved it but the reason for Alex walking was grossly unfair and Perez is using the same tactics on Katie. He knows the rules and he has researched the show so why oh why is BB allowing this stupidity.

It beggars beiefe that BB are willing to break their own rules in order to allow someone to be bullied. If he did it to Patsy or a weak member of the cast which made them cry, he would be sanctioned for sure, so why allow it to happen to Katie H.

CXlip his wings and force him to do something else so we can see his inventive side as this baby crap is getting on my nerves and diluting BB's authorative control on the series. Speidi started this and people got warned when they went against them, so why not apply the same actions here.

[abhorson]

They are smart enough to know how to not cross the line and break BB's own set of rules.

Boundaries are close but still no six has been scored.

[bots]

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

I totally agree but the only action they could take would be to send him to Coventry or ignore him and Nadia would never allow that as she relishes the fact that Perez is annoying her nemesis for her, hence her support of him. If she goes tonight, the game will change and Patsy will walk to leave him pretty isolated.

[-Sue-]

I don't consider putting cheese up his nose.. smiling or going up to the glass (by the kitchen) bullying.. I consider it 'teasing'

If anyone is a bully it would be Katie H - using personal insults endlessly attacking Perez & others at any given opportunity. (but she is tactful) when she insulted about 'weight' it was ONLY aimed at Perez (and there is more than 1 HM who is not tiny) would she dare attack Michelle with those same words?

I don't see how any of Perez's recent actions/words could have been considered bullying .. teasing yes...

Katie has been allowed to get away with all-sorts in that house IMO most of which I do not agree with at all!

But then again we go back to the old chestnut of free speech.. free the cheese?..has Perez 'chosen' to take offence? or is he being the better person by not hurling insults back at Katie? I am 100% sure if Katie behaved towards Michelle or Cami there would be an explosion in that house..

Katie's vile worlds towards Perez are getting old.. it's the same **** everytime he is near her .. she needs to get some new material BB should allow her to go on ebay for 10 mins so she can buy both a personality and a sense of humour!

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

The sent to Coventry ploy may have been an ideal option as without a reaction Perez would be nothing.

[Pincho Paxton]

They did talk about sending him to Coventry. It was KH who said it, and KH immediately started talking to him.

[abhorson]

But the other side of me thinks that he deserves everything he gets. But KH is going slightly overboard.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I don't consider putting cheese up his nose.. smiling or going up to the glass (by the kitchen) bullying.. I consider it 'teasing'

If anyone is a bully it would be Katie H - using personal insults endlessly attacking Perez & others at any given opportunity. (but she is tactful) when she insulted about 'weight' it was ONLY aimed at Perez (and there is more than 1 HM who is not tiny) would she dare attack Michelle with those same words?

I don't see how any of Perez's recent actions/words could have been considered bullying .. teasing yes...

Katie has been allowed to get away with all-sorts in that house IMO most of which I do not agree with at all!

But then again we go back to the old chestnut of free speech.. free the cheese?..has Perez 'chosen' to take offence? or is he being the better person by not hurling insults back at Katie? I am 100% sure if Katie behaved towards Michelle or Cami there would be an explosion in that house..

Katie's vile worlds towards Perez are getting old.. it's the same **** everytime he is near her .. she needs to get some new material BB should allow her to go on ebay for 10 mins so she can buy both a personality and a sense of humour!

Once again you admirable support for perez leaves me in no doubt that you find his actions in some way correct. I think the vast majority of the GBP would argue against that scenario as it is only funny if you support bullying. Personally I find any actions that create such parity, disgusting and pathetic but if you want to carry on supporting him then that's your right. His actions are set out to inflame tempers and gain a retort that allows him to precipitate that action and gain airtime.

He isn't really a bully because bullies generally have a character that depicts superiority, he is simply hiding behind BB's shirt tails and lies safe in the knowledge that he is protected by them, an act that he knows well as he is also a bully from behind a computer screen in real life.

In short he is a spineless little coward that uses computer screens and the rule book to get attention. If either he or anyone was to come to my manor or indeed anywhere else in the real world and act like that, he wouldn't last 2 mins and the judge would say he was guilty of inciting violence by intimidation.

However BB has given him a free run at in the hope it creates drama but they are very wrong as it is teaching kids looking at the show that his actions are in some way right and fair.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Once again you admirable support for perez leaves me in no doubt that you find his actions in some way correct. I think the vast majority of the GBP would argue against that scenario as it is only funny if you support bullying. Personally I find any actions that create such parity, disgusting and pathetic but if you want to carry on supporting him then that's your right. His actions are set out to inflame tempers and gain a retort that allows him to precipitate that action and gain airtime.

He isn't really a bully because bullies generally have a character that depicts superiority, he is simply hiding behind BB's shirt tails and lies safe in the knowledge that he is protected by them, an act that he knows well as he is also a bully from behind a computer screen in real life.

In short he is a spineless little coward that uses computer screens and the rule book to get attention. If either he or anyone was to come to my manor or indeed anywhere else in the real world and act like that, he wouldn't last 2 mins and the judge would say he was guilty of inciting violence by intimidation.

However BB has given him a free run at in the hope it creates drama but they are very wrong as it is teaching kids looking at the show that his actions are in some way right and fair.

In a nutshell.

[Pincho Paxton]

It's not bullying.

[lime]

Bullying for me also inclues isolation....telling others not to speak to a person ...nor to laugh at their jokes..is bullying....

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

It's not bullying.

Not if you live in a PC bubble it isn't, be more specific

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Not if you live in a PC bubble it isn't, be more specific

People have already said what I would say...

He poked his tongue through a rabbits ears. he breathed on some food (maybe). He did a sex routine with a mirror. There was no bullying.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt;7517530[B

]Once again you admirable support for perez leaves me in no doubt that you find his actions in some way correct. I think the vast majority of the GBP would argue against that scenario as it is only funny if you support bullying[/B]. Personally I find any actions that create such parity, disgusting and pathetic but if you want to carry on supporting him then that's your right. His actions are set out to inflame tempers and gain a retort that allows him to precipitate that action and gain airtime.

He isn't really a bully because bullies generally have a character that depicts superiority, he is simply hiding behind BB's shirt tails and lies safe in the knowledge that he is protected by them, an act that he knows well as he is also a bully from behind a computer screen in real life.

In short he is a spineless little coward that uses computer screens and the rule book to get attention. If either he or anyone was to come to my manor or indeed anywhere else in the real world and act like that, he wouldn't last 2 mins and the judge would say he was guilty of inciting violence by intimidation.

However BB has given him a free run at in the hope it creates drama but they are very wrong as it is teaching kids looking at the show that his actions are in some way right and fair.

Hey now I do not support bullying in anyway - I was responding to your original post 'strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something' surely you can see that Katie has been telling Perez to leave & then making fun of anyone that talks to him (thus making HM's afraid to talk to him to avoid her viscious tongue) harassing him endlessly ...even during the debate standing up stating her 'opinion' louder! and louder.. just because she can talk loudly and has opinions on everything doesn't mean she is right! .. somethings simply need to be laughed off.. eg Perez in the garden doing his 'bizarre' window thing! (eek) it made all HMs nuts! and he wasn't insulting bullying a single soul! He was making an eejit out of himself but he proved a point that simply by breathing in and out.. he can annoy people..

I suppose this might be where we go back to 'it's ok if katie says it' but HOW DARE anyone else say these things! *sigh*

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Not if you live in a PC bubble it isn't, be more specific

You know the whole 'PC' thing has been thrown about a lot this year.. I would rather be PC and still have a laugh at my own expense than being some loud mouth who thinks it's ok to offend all those she considers beneath her or different

[sampvt]

Is there anyone out there that thinks it is acceptable to waken a person by deliberately coughing in the middle of the night by his bed to intimidate him or goad him into an act of violence just to get him kicked out, or to blow kisses at him knowing he is a straight from the hood with old fashion views of homosexuality, or to even think it is acceptable to stare at him till he walks. Well these tactics are now very similar to what he is doing to KH and she is wrong to react...........go figure.

[joeysteele]

I think in fact both are as bad as each other in the winding up process and ironically both have had great success in their personal lives by really being thoroughly nasty,insulting and making often unfounded degrading comments about others as a career.

I think Perez is over the top with his antics, like a real naughty and spoilt boy in his endless attempts to secure attention and be at the forefront of things,often outrageous but that is where it ends with him.
Kind of like a buzzing fly circling around you that you just can never catch.

Katie Hopkins however has crossed the line a few times,not only with Perez but in her put downs of others, like Alicia too.
Her 'threat' to clash pans over Perez's head when he was asleep was also showing a massive lack of consideration of any others in the room at the time.
While it is fine for her, she has her own room.

Secondly, her 'threat' that she may do something with the drinks beaker he has if she got her hands on it was actually an unacceptable thing to even think of saying never mind threaten to do.

Perez is way over the top but largely, (although he winds her up and that is her fault since she seems to follow him round wherever he is to get her digs in too), although over the top he may be but she is being really vindictively nasty and at times completely inappropriately.such as the fat comment last night.

So for me, if anyone is harassing another,it is more Katie Hopkins doing so rather then Perez in my view.
She is someone he intensely dislikes,as she does him too,so he has found ways to wind her up.
However her reactions are fuelling all that behaviour and her constant following him around always using his name and attempting to ridicule him in dfront of others,makes her the instigator, in my view, of a lot of the problems with them.

I would be giving her the stronger talking to more if I was BB than I would be Perez actually.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is there anyone out there that thinks it is acceptable to waken a person by deliberately coughing in the middle of the night by his bed to intimidate him or goad him into an act of violence just to get him kicked out, or to blow kisses at him knowing he is a straight from the hood with old fashion views of homosexuality, or to even think it is acceptable to stare at him till he walks. Well these tactics are now very similar to what he is doing to KH and she is wrong to react...........go figure.

Oh my goodness he coughed .. lol why he did it nobody knows lol but it wasn't exaactly dragging anyone through the mud or a personal attack it was a joke that backfired..

staring is now illegal?
Your dislike of Perez is very clear and that's ok we all like different things and we don't all agree that's the great thing about the forums

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

You know the whole 'PC' thing has been thrown about a lot this year.. I would rather be PC and still have a laugh at my own expense than being some loud mouth who thinks it's ok to offend all those she considers beneath her or different

You cant support one and malign the other, when they are as bad as each other. Cherry picking certain actions to prove a point isn't allowed. He is winding her up, she is reacting and they are both wrong but BB lets it happen and you condone it. That's my point. Get them both in and give them both a final warning and let them go. We will then see the others start to shine. AT THE MOMENT THE OTHERS ARE ONLY THERE TO TAKE UP SPACE.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I don't consider putting cheese up his nose.. smiling or going up to the glass (by the kitchen) bullying.. I consider it 'teasing'

If anyone is a bully it would be Katie H - using personal insults endlessly attacking Perez & others at any given opportunity. (but she is tactful) when she insulted about 'weight' it was ONLY aimed at Perez (and there is more than 1 HM who is not tiny) would she dare attack Michelle with those same words?

I don't see how any of Perez's recent actions/words could have been considered bullying .. teasing yes...

Katie has been allowed to get away with all-sorts in that house IMO most of which I do not agree with at all!

But then again we go back to the old chestnut of free speech.. free the cheese?..has Perez 'chosen' to take offence? or is he being the better person by not hurling insults back at Katie? I am 100% sure if Katie behaved towards Michelle or Cami there would be an explosion in that house..

Katie's vile worlds towards Perez are getting old.. it's the same **** everytime he is near her .. she needs to get some new material BB should allow her to go on ebay for 10 mins so she can buy both a personality and a sense of humour!

great post Sue

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Oh my goodness he coughed .. lol why he did it nobody knows lol but it wasn't exaactly dragging anyone through the mud or a personal attack it was a joke that backfired..

staring is now illegal?
Your dislike of Perez is very clear and that's ok we all like different things and we don't all agree that's the great thing about the forums

And your defence of him is equally ridiculous. At least my version makes some sense.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think in fact both are as bad as each other in the winding up process and ironically both have had great success in their personal lives by really being thoroughly nasty,insulting and making often unfounded degrading comments about others as a career.

I think Perez is over the top with his antics, like a real naughty and spoilt boy in his endless attempts to secure attention and be at the forefront of things,often outrageous but that is where it ends with him.
Kind of like a buzzing fly circling around you that you just can never catch.

Katie Hopkins however has crossed the line a few times,not only with Perez but in her put downs of others, like Alicia too.
Her 'threat' to clash pans over Perez's head when he was asleep was also showing a massive lack of consideration of any others in the room at the time.
While it is fine for her, she has her own room.

Secondly, her 'threat' that she may do something with the drinks beaker he has if she got her hands on it was actually an unacceptable thing to even think of saying never mind threaten to do.

Perez is way over the top but largely, (although he winds her up and that is her fault since she seems to follow him round wherever he is to get her digs in too), although over the top he may be but she is being really vindictively nasty and at times completely inappropriately.such as the fat comment last night.

So for me, if anyone is harassing another,it is more Katie Hopkins doing so rather then Perez in my view.
She is someone he intensely dislikes,as she does him too,so he has found ways to wind her up.
However her reactions are fuelling all that behaviour and her constant following him around always using his name and attempting to ridicule him in dfront of others,makes her the instigator, in my view, of a lot of the problems with them.

I would be giving her the stronger talking to more if I was BB than I would be Perez actually.

Thank you a great post
Im amazed BB hasn't called in Katie for breaking the bunny (BB property)too! All previous BB's HMs would get a stern talking to if they had done anything like that

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

And your defence of him is equally ridiculous. At least my version makes some sense.

hey now I didn't name call you so please show me the same courtesy

Just because you do not agree with my opinion you do not need to try and make me feel worthless!

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by sampvt

You cant support one and malign the other, when they are as bad as each other. Cherry picking certain actions to prove a point isn't allowed. He is winding her up, she is reacting and they are both wrong but BB lets it happen and you condone it. That's my point. Get them both in and give them both a final warning and let them go. We will then see the others start to shine. AT THE MOMENT THE OTHERS ARE ONLY THERE TO TAKE UP SPACE.

Good post but I wouldn't warn them, no one has been physically hurt and while they are both at it, ratings go up as it makes great TV.