[just thinkin]

Uld have a problem with his two best friends....nooo he sat there smugly and looked like he was enjoyin it...weasel

[rionablue]

Legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BB4fan]

He sat there just like the others who didn't get involved.

If Helen pisses on the living room floor is it up to him to get up and do something about it...???

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

He sat there just like the others who didn't get involved.

If Helen pisses on the living room floor is it up to him to get up and do something about it...???

He would probably lap it up!

[BENDERBOY]

I was one of his biggest supporters, mainly because i wanted to do him.

Sadly he's gone over to the darkside and ruined his chances of winning.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by BENDERBOY

I was one of his biggest supporters, mainly because i wanted to do him...

[just thinkin]

sitting in between the two of them....he'd need to cop on.

[rusticgal]

Joel..the Lapdog.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Joel..the Lapdog.

This! He's Helen little lapdog. Slimey little weasel.

[dyfed]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Joel..the Lapdog.

You got that right..

[Liam-]

So once again someone is being chastised for not getting involved with someone else's argument, brilliant and totally fair, well done.

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So once again someone is being chastised for not getting involved with someone else's argument, brilliant and totally fair, well done.

oh, he'll get involved alright, when it's nothing to do with the two bulldogs. he won't say anything against those two bullies - in fact the smug face on him told a story.

So what do you think of Chloe not getting involved?

[rusticgal]

Joel stood up to Marc when he had the whole house behind him, when he first came in and upset Chloe.... Suddenly he has gone quiet. Not the 'voice of reason'' anymore. Mind you when Helen goes he might just have a voice again. However he has tainted himself now...damaged goods.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

oh, he'll get involved alright, when it's nothing to do with the two bulldogs. he won't say anything against those two bullies - in fact the smug face on him told a story.

So what do you think of Chloe not getting involved?

What do I think of Chloe not getting involved?.. nothing, if she didn't want to get involved then that's her decision, I don't see why people should be criticised for not wanting to involve themselves in what was a nasty argument.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

What do I think of Chloe not getting involved?.. nothing, if she didn't want to get involved then that's her decision, I don't see why people should be criticised for not wanting to involve themselves in what was a nasty argument.

I agree and Chloe did say she didn't like the comments Helen made but also the fact that Helen has not done or said anything bad to her.
Now Marc gets at Chloe a lot,Chloe does not like Marc and shows it a lot. However,clearly Helen,who with Marc is supposed to be the 'evil' team, has got on with Chloe despite the Chloe/Marc tensions.

Another nonsense as to an 'evil team' just about blown out of the water then.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Liam-

What do I think of Chloe not getting involved?.. nothing, if she didn't want to get involved then that's her decision, I don't see why people should be criticised for not wanting to involve themselves in what was a nasty argument.

lets have no welsh bias now, joel has been quality housemate and the fave to win, but last night hes blown his chances ...that was the mother of all arguments and the single reason this series will be remembered. he choose to do and say nothing , even when the scum of the earth Helen started calling brian a psycho rapist murderer. alas joel is damaged goods now and his hopes and dreams are ruined. danny who is a sly one, seized his moment and has now made it to the final , possible winner

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

lets have no welsh bias now, joel has been quality housemate and the fave to win, but last night hes blown his chances ...that was the mother of all arguments and the single reason this series will be remembered. he choose to do and say nothing , even when the scum of the earth Helen started calling brian a psycho rapist murderer. alas joel is damaged goods now and his hopes and dreams are ruined. danny who is a sly one, seized his moment and has now made it to the final , possible winner

It's not Welsh bias at all thank you very much.

No-one should feel like that have to get involved in an argument if they don't want to, if they want to, then go for it, but I'm not going to fault someone for not getting involved with something that doesn't involve them, as I feel no-one else should.

[Kazanne]

So now Joel is getting hate because of who he is friends with , how childish

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So now Joel is getting hate because of who he is friends with , how childish

He's getting hate because having been a very arrogant pipsqueak...and the voice of reason. He isn't very big when it comes to Helen. Maybe he should be telling Helen the same things he told Marc ,when Marc first entered the house. Maybe he should tell Helen that she should think about what she says..and then give her one of his lectures in 'mock interview' format about how it might be perceived on the outside.
But he won't because when push comes to shove...he is a coward and a weasel. He is intimidated by Helen and he no longer has the backing of the other housemates because he has turned his back on them.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He's getting hate because having been a very arrogant pipsqueak...and the voice of reason. He isn't very big when it comes to Helen. Maybe he should be telling Helen the same things he told Marc ,when Marc first entered the house. Maybe he should tell Helen that she should think about what she says..and then give her one of his lectures in 'mock interview' format about how it might be perceived on the outside.
But he won't because when push comes to shove...he is a coward and a weasel. He is intimidated by Helen and he no longer has the backing of the other housemates because he has turned his back on them.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He's getting hate because having been a very arrogant pipsqueak...and the voice of reason. He isn't very big when it comes to Helen. Maybe he should be telling Helen the same things he told Marc ,when Marc first entered the house. Maybe he should tell Helen that she should think about what she says..and then give her one of his lectures in 'mock interview' format about how it might be perceived on the outside.
But he won't because when push comes to shove...he is a coward and a weasel. He is intimidated by Helen and he no longer has the backing of the other housemates because he has turned his back on them.

Stop making her out to be this intimidating matriarch ,she isn't she's just loud and harsh,you give her far too much credit,not that I mind,I like her.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Stop making her out to be this intimidating matriarch ,she isn't she's just loud and harsh,you give her far too much credit,not that I mind,I like her.

Kazanne that's your opinion...it's not mine.
She is intimidating...and that's not credit!!...also there is nothing nasty on here. This is a topic on Joel..nothing nasty just opinions.

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Kazanne that's your opinion...it's not mine.
She is intimidating...and that's not credit!!...also there is nothing nasty on here. This is a topic on Joel..nothing nasty just opinions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So now Joel is getting hate because of who he is friends with , how childish

You couldn't make it up could you Kazanne.
I have friends who really hate some of my other friends,I would hope no one ever judges me in that I keep company with both sets because I actually get on with both sets of people and none have ever done anything against me.

It is ridiculous,Joel gets on with just about everyone in there,really pathetic to go against him because he likes people others don't
If that is their genuine only reason not to like him then that is really sad.

He is no ones lapdog, he does his own thing, does not get involved where it is not necessary too.
He will talk to and spend time with all housemates and there must be some he would love to shove out the door.

He is polite, reasoned and never aggressive or personally insulting.
Privileged he may be but he has clearly been given good examples of how to behave in public.

Also, I hate his political position,however as like myself with you and you hold the same politics as Joel,holding that against him as a reason to not like him is pathetic I have to say.
I consider myself a decent person, I know you are a really decent person Kazanne and quite frankly, from all I have seen this series of him,so is he.

He is slammed for not arguing and raising his voice and seeming to condone bad behaviour.
By the same token, if he was arguing,raising his voice and acting out bad behaviour,that then would be just the other reason to get at him and then hate him for that.
If he personally insulted Helen and called her all the names under the sun, he would be applauded, were he to do that to Brian or say Danny/Cristian,he again would be the really rotten guy.
Just because he doesn't bend to the will of others and only does what he believes is right and decent are very sad reasons to put him down.

Sometimes, some people for many,can never do right for just in truth and fact not doing anything wrong at all,but just for being decent and being themselves.
As I say, you couldn't make it up.

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You couldn't make it up could you Kazanne.
I have friends who really hate some of my other friends,I would hope no one ever judges me in that I keep company with both sets because I actually get on with both sets of people and none have ever done anything against me.

It is ridiculous,Joel gets on with just about everyone in there,really pathetic to go against him because he likes people others don't
If that is their genuine only reason not to like him then that is really sad.

He is no ones lapdog, he does his own thing, does not get involved where it is not necessary too.
He will talk to and spend time with all housemates and there must be some he would love to shove out the door.

He is polite, reasoned and never aggressive or personally insulting.
Privileged he may be but he has clearly been given good examples of how to behave in public.

Also, I hate his political position,however as like myself with you and you hold the same politics as Joel,holding that against him as a reason to not like him is pathetic I have to say.
I consider myself a decent person, I know you are a really decent person Kazanne and quite frankly, from all I have seen this series of him,so is he.

He is slammed for not arguing and raising his voice and seeming to condone bad behaviour.
By the same token, if he was arguing,raising his voice and acting out bad behaviour,that then would be just the other reason to get at him and then hate him for that.
If he personally insulted Helen and called her all the names under the sun, he would be applauded, were he to do that to Brian or say Danny/Cristian,he again would be the really rotten guy.
Just because he doesn't bend to the will of others and only does what he believes is right and decent are very sad reasons to put him down.

Sometimes, some people for many,can never do right for just in truth and fact not doing anything wrong at all,but just for being decent and being themselves.
As I say, you couldn't make it up.

no, he doesn't get on with everyone in there. If you watched the show the originals has a little bit of a problem with him because of him sticking like glue to the 'powerful' crowd and dumping on the other housemates. That's not getting on with everybody - that's stepping on people to get where he wants to be. He's all principled when it comes to telling the 'lower' housemates what he thinks, but yet is a lapdog to the 'powerful' housemates he's their little go-for boy. yes, definitely a slimy politician in the making.