[Kizzy]

'Detectives in Northern Ireland investigating the Bloody Sunday shootings in 1972 have arrested a former British soldier in County Antrim.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland’s legacy investigation branch said he is 66 years old. He would have been 23 at the time of the shootings.


The officer leading the investigation, DCI Ian Harrison, said the arrest marked a new phase in the overall inquiry that would continue for some time.

Thirteen civil rights demonstrators were killed by members of the Parachute Regiment on the streets of Derry in January 1972. Another victim of the shootings died months later.'

Be careful what you do 'for your country'...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...former-soldier

[Niamh.]

"Be careful what you do 'for your country'..."

That was a massacre

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"Be careful what you do 'for your country'..."

That was a massacre

It was, a state sponsored massacre.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"Be careful what you do 'for your country'..."

That was a massacre

a massacre of innocents at that, but hey they might have turned into IRA members so it's justified

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

a massacre of innocents at that, but hey they might have turned into IRA members so it's justified

Do you think that the soldiers were told to shoot civilians ?

if so by whom?

[Crimson Dynamo]

have they not got better things to do ffs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

have they not got better things to do ffs

oh yeah it's only Irish people they killed eh? Surely there's better things to deal with. I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if it were members of the IRA being tried for a massacre against British people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

oh yeah it's only Irish people they killed eh? Surely there's better things to deal with. I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if it were members of the IRA being tried for a massacre against British people.

It was 1972

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It was 1972

and?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and?

and we already have had an amnesty for all the IRA murderers?

We have thier bosses as politicians now

[smudgie]

Murder is murder, hiding behind a uniform doesn't make it right.
One of the most shameful atrocities I can remember when I was growing up.

[Niamh.]

Surely that comparison can only be made between the IRA and groups like the UDA etc not the official British Army

[Kazanne]

It's weird this should come up,I have just been reading about two British soldiers that were dragged from their car and murdered,it was years ago now but what was that all about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's weird this should come up,I have just been reading about two British soldiers that were dragged from their car and murdered,it was years ago now but what was that all about?

yes that was live on TV

The corporals killings.

It was alleged the mob thought they were loyalists (the Michael Stone incident was just before) and dragged them from the car and killed them


That said the British Army said they were told to stay away from IRA funerals and they did not..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes that was live on TV

The corporals killings.

It was alleged the mob thought they were loyalists (the Michael Stone incident was just before) and dragged them from the car and killed them


That said the British Army said they were told to stay away from IRA funerals and they did not..

Oh well, they deserved to die then, right?

How about Warren Point? What was the justification for that?

Bloody Sunday was a despicable thing to have happened. But there were too many of victims of the Troubles, lots of innocent people died.

[Livia]

I remember a thread not too long ago about a Polish man who was jailed for his work in Auschwitz. A lot of opinion thought he should be allowed to live out his life regardless of the awful things in which he collaborated. When does that abdication of responsibility come in, exactly? How much time has to pass before something ceases to get headlines?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember a thread not too long ago about a Polish man who was jailed for his work in Auschwitz. A lot of opinion thought he should be allowed to live out his life regardless of the awful things in which he collaborated. When does that abdication of responsibility come in, exactly? How much time has to pass before something ceases to get headlines?

That would be me, I don't hold anyone accountable who follows the orders as given by a fascist regime.... and the same goes for what happened in Auschwitz.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That would be me, I don't hold anyone accountable who follows the orders as given by a fascist regime.... and the same goes for what happened in Auschwitz.

As usual Kizzy, you overestimate your impact.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

As usual Kizzy, you overestimate your impact.

No I remember the thread, and I was one of those who suggested he shouldn't be charged.
I wasn't suggesting for a second you were referring specifically to me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember a thread not too long ago about a Polish man who was jailed for his work in Auschwitz. A lot of opinion thought he should be allowed to live out his life regardless of the awful things in which he collaborated. When does that abdication of responsibility come in, exactly? How much time has to pass before something ceases to get headlines?

The difference there is most people atleast had sympathy with the victims in that case, what I seem to be reading here is alot of excuses as to why it was OK for the British Army to kill Irish people because the IRA existed

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The difference there is most people atleast had sympathy with the victims in that case, what I seem to be reading here is alot of excuses as to why it was OK for the British Army to kill Irish people because the IRA existed

I don't think anyone's said it was okay for the British Army to kill Irish people. It was a terrible **** up and I have nothing but sympathy with the families who lost loved ones. There is no way of excusing what happened.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think anyone's said it was okay for the British Army to kill Irish people. It was a terrible **** up and I have nothing but sympathy with the families who lost loved ones. There is no way of excusing what happened.

I wasn't talking about you but certainly LT and kazanne both did that

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wasn't talking about you but certainly LT and kazanne both did that

I didn't say that Naimh,I said I had just been reading about it and asked what that was all about I was asking the question as I am not well read on the troubles

[Kizzy]

You know, that's why google is your friend

[Crimson Dynamo]

"But Col Richard Kemp, a former commander of British forces in Afghanistan who served 8 tours in Northern Ireland in the 1980s and 1990s, said the arrest was “yet another example of this Government allowing British soldiers to be hounded through the courts”.

He said there had been “some very serious wrong doing on behalf of the British Army on Bloody Sunday, but also there was some pretty significant mitigation from the circumstances that they were operating under and direct provocation.”

He said blame should not only be directed at soldiers.

He said: “The spotlight, if anywhere, should fall upon the commanders, not just soldiers, and that includes some very, very senior officers.”
If the Government had released terrorists under the Good Friday peace agreement, then soldiers should not be prosecuted.

He said: “The Government has turned a blind eye to crimes that have been committed and allowed people who have been terrorist commanders to bet into positions of political power.

“If that has been right for the peace process, then it's not right in my view that soldiers should be hounded this way.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...shootings.html