[arista]

At 59mins
the best bit said by Stephen Fry

Trump/Brexit
is because of the Failure of the Left

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

At 59mins
the best bit said by Stephen Fry

Trump/Brexit
is because of the Failure of the Left

Exactly. I think as JP mentioned, the PC debate has not done the left any favors...I feel like the "left" has "sold out" to some fair degree.

Like Oliver, my position "shifted" away from what what it was. It used to I considered myself a progressive, but what it is currently is a far cry from what I felt it stood for in my youth... which I aligned more with them where I felt social values had to be improved, as well as being more aware of our environmental impacts, moving towards cleaner energy, etc... not this oversensitive, we have to jerry-rig every conversation we have surrounding people of color/emotionally sensitive topics in order to "fix" all of our cultural ails...

Anyway, because both parties have gone more extreme with their platform, and as a result they've eliminated the voices of most reasonable folk from the mainstream political discourse. I remember when the Tea Party was in the news and was all over Facebook. That version of the right was so unpalatable and whine-y for me, that I voted largely Democrat and was still fairly progressive even then... but the right has become more accepting of a moderate approach, especially at a local level both where I am and when I lived out of state, that I feel like the current Democratic party is in the same position the Tea Party was for me when Obama was running...

So what it often ends up becoming, we vote against the party we are concerned with the most as moderate/independents and who we will think will be focused on the economy, jobs, etc, things that actually affect things today... since we don't really have a party that "stands" for most people per say, just those who are hyper-partisan and believe everything they read on social media or see in the news with regards to partisan rhetoric.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

At 59mins
the best bit said by Stephen Fry

Trump/Brexit
is because of the Failure of the Left

Haven't watched this yet but I definitely agree with this.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Haven't watched this yet but I definitely agree with this.

Yes I had to watch it in bits
as 2 Hours is long.

I think this kind of High Level Debate should
go on Ch4HD, Ch5HD
or BBC2HD - late night.
Keeping it on internet or just Canada TV
is not enough.

As Maru
says all 4 got their points over well.