[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So what, LT, I haven't claimed otherwise?

thats right

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thats right

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I . My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I . My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

perhaps but then we sometimes speak to people out with the forum confines..

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I . My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps but then we sometimes speak to people out with the forum confines..

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

Fair, but again, this is extra knowledge that you (both) happen to have and, again, you can't expect other members not privvy to such "extra information" to simply accept it as being true. So while it might lend extra weight to posts for you and for others with this information, you can't reasonably expect it to do the same for those who don't.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

Again that's fair (taking into consideration the above) but I would still counter that while it does lend extra weight to what someone has to say, there are VERY few people in the world who are "infallible experts" and, also, people have their own political leanings etc. that will feed into their assessment of something like this... especially on an informal forum where no one is expected to behave professionally or be neutral.

TBH in this case, it's surely a case of "LT's usual stance on US cop stuff" - NONE of us have the full story on why Robinson was arrested... so, qualifications are sort of irrelevant... and we should surely just trust that the people who are both qualified AND in full possession of the facts have made the right call . After all... Tommy has made a fair mint from his social media celebrity, so I have no doubt that he has his own highly qualified lawyers fighting his corner.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

And yes, again, this. Even a doctor when making a diagnosis will tell the patient (and indeed, is professionally obligated to tell the patient) what has lead to that diagnosis. They show the scans, explain the terminology, what it all means. They don't say "You have cancer, just trust me, I'm a doctor."

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

Where’s your ‘expert’ knowledge on the media - something you constantly imply - but have never yet produced any evidence for!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

Oh yes? And how do you propose that happens? Would you like me to post a pic of my degree? Or perhaps my CV? And does that apply to everyone? Or just me?

What a load of nonsense...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh yes? And how do you propose that happens? Would you like me to post a pic of my degree? Or perhaps my CV? And does that apply to everyone? Or just me?

Not to speak for Dezzy here but I think what he means is, it's important for people to say "I'm trained as X and that's not how it works..." but then with a follow up explanation of how it DOES work (which may well be interesting and educational, and actually convince people) rather than a "lol no, that's not how it works, just trust me I'm trained as X, been doing it for years" but with no attempt to explain WHY it isn't accurate... or to say what IS accurate.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not to speak for Dezzy here but I think what he means is, it's important for people to say "I'm trained as X and that's not how it works..." but then with a follow up explanation of how it DOES work (which may well be interesting and educational, and actually convince people) rather than a "lol no, that's not how it works, just trust me I'm trained as X, been doing it for years" but with no attempt to explain WHY it isn't accurate... or to say what IS accurate.

And yet, here you are... speaking for Dezzy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes because Dezzy and Livia have the same posting style and modus operandi..

They're more similar than different tbh.

Anyway, I was specifically talking about this;

"portray yourself as some kind of ‘expert’ in the field whilst labelling the majority of people as ‘ignorant’ on the issue".

And yes I have seen Dezzy do this regarding media as Brillo says, and Livia does it a lot when it comes to anything law-related. In fact plenty of members have done it; myself included with my expert bookies knowledge tyvm and 3/4 of a Psychology degree .

I'm coming down on the side of "it's not really ok", if I have to throw my hat into the ring. This is a BB forum, basically a chat down the pub, and it just frankly doesn't matter to me that much what people do outside of this forum when it comes to that opinions on things discussed here. If we're talking about objective FACTS relating to someone's area of expertise then that's another matter, e.g. if someone said "that's illegal and u'll go 2 jail!" and Livia was to say "Actually it's not technically illegal..." then that's worth paying attention to. Or if Vicky says "There is no physical difference between male and female brains what nonsense!" and a biopsych extraordinaire like myself says "There's a tonne of research that says otherwise", obviously everyone should listen. Or OK to use a more realistic example... I am actually good at my job so if I say "that's not how odds work..." that's worth listening to. If I say "Nah, Bob will never win, trust me I'm a bookie"... that means no more than the opinion of the next person.

But when it comes to personal opinions... no, it doesn't matter if Dezzy has education in media, or if Livia is a lawyer, or if arista is a top manager.