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I do like how people make out increasing suicide rates can be solved by "taking measures", "increasing support" etc...

Suicide rates are increasing because the western world is in the midst of an existential catastrophe that is only going to get steadily worse. Bleak, but that's the situation.
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I do like how people make out increasing suicide rates can be solved by "taking measures", "increasing support" etc...

Suicide rates are increasing because the western world is in the midst of an existential catastrophe that is only going to get steadily worse. Bleak, but that's the situation.
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Well not to get too down on things but... the youth of today are cast adrift into a declining, indifferent, vapid and jaded world and then laughed at or told to get over it - or even to be grateful - when they complain that it leaves them feeling existentially hollow.
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I do like how people make out increasing suicide rates can be solved by "taking measures", "increasing support" etc...

Suicide rates are increasing because the western world is in the midst of an existential catastrophe that is only going to get steadily worse. Bleak, but that's the situation.
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Well not to get too down on things but... the youth of today are cast adrift into a declining, indifferent, vapid and jaded world and then laughed at or told to get over it - or even to be grateful - when they complain that it leaves them feeling existentially hollow.
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Well not to get too down on things but... the youth of today are cast adrift into a declining, indifferent, vapid and jaded world and then laughed at or told to get over it - or even to be grateful - when they complain that it leaves them feeling existentially hollow.
Thanks TS. I was on mobile, so sorry if that sounded a bit "curt" (also adding a smiley seemed to make it worse...)

I don't think the bold will ever change. That's basic parenting... "get on it with, child". I think though, if we push them into the current scheme of things... it's not exactly a great "alternative". Something is missing about society and I think we've missed something when we modernized from history... anyway, just my opinion, but even my generation and my own anecdotal nonsensical-ness... there does appear to be a nihilistic shift, even moreso from some of the kids growing up during my time... and I noticed in the US particularly, the south seemed to be a little "behind" this curb... when I moved to the Northeast, and when I met with folk at that distance when still living in TX growing up, there were sooo many kids and peers with mental issues... and you know, I've been told to get past it, young lady. That for me is not necessarily a bad thing... we do we need to get over ourselves a bit... we are a little bit too full of ourselves at times, and it by counteracting that, I think we can avoid forming serious neurosis... the latter, many of these peers had been coddled, given terribly vague advice... whereas in the south, there is no filter... a lot of those sayings come with knowledge that's passed down generation to generation, not just an empty "Get to work, young'un"...

I think to "pin" down this shift without so many words, I would say more of those "sayings" are regurgitated by older folk rather than understanding what they actually mean... versus life experience that is genuinely passed down from older generation to younger... and there's definitely an increasing divide between our generations... like older folk are not as close to younger folk as it used to be... I think this absolutely effects people's sense of maturity later on, as well as having that sense of emotional support from older folk, and other generations (including ancestors)... after all, we used to take care of our old... now it feels like we are disgarding the knowledges of those generations, because they're "running against the grain" politically and culturally speaking... and we are throwing away some great opportunities I think to learn from folk who have walked more than a few miles in our own shoes... I think that sort of mutual respect is missing, absolutely... I don't have that issue myself with my background with care-taking, but I truly think that disregarding their perspective, because we "know better"... those are missed opportunities to learn the things in life to support ourselves that can't be learned just by silly tropes and common catch phrases... we lose a lot of social experience too when we don't force ourselves to encounter with the generational divide... i.e. it's also really hard to know really when contrasting ideas might actually be beneficial to us in certain cases without those clashes... or even when we may need simple basic life advice from a more experienced peer... and so I think young people shoot themselves in the foot trying to do everything alone. Anyway, I love our older generation(s)... those folk won't be around forever, so I think take advantage of those connections before they are gone for good...
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I do like how people make out increasing suicide rates can be solved by "taking measures", "increasing support" etc...

Suicide rates are increasing because the western world is in the midst of an existential catastrophe that is only going to get steadily worse. Bleak, but that's the situation.
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Well not to get too down on things but... the youth of today are cast adrift into a declining, indifferent, vapid and jaded world and then laughed at or told to get over it - or even to be grateful - when they complain that it leaves them feeling existentially hollow.
...I don’t really want to agree with you TS...because yeah that does all seem a bit bleak and down...but sadly I have to agree, though...I’m not sure the western world is in the midst of an existential catastrophe though...that does feel a little ‘dramatic’...but I do think in some areas it feels quite regressive..or hindering of progression, if you like...it’s quite ironic really of our progressive modern day world...that we have ‘so many answers’...so much understanding and awareness etc in terms of mental health issues ...but that’s all kind of a bit pointless if what we don’t have is the funding to implement these things...it’s always been a fight and a struggle to get the help needed with mental health issues in very young people..but now no matter how hard the fight and no matter how strenuous the struggle...it’s sadly becoming an impossibility for the many......I fear it’s becoming or has become a little bit of a disclaimer world in which we live...in that if a mental health issue is diagnosed, then there would be an obligation to address in the funding given to the help that’s needed...so let’s just not diagnose in the first place...oh it’s just a phase that child../..young person is going through or whatever...I’ve actually been given that exact phrase myself when referring to a young person with multiple attempted suicides......


...’back in the not so distant day’, things like post natal depression wouldn’t have even been recognised or understood as we know....so we have all of this ‘understanding’ through time of so many mental health issues and illnesses...only to be told...sorry, it’s all too expensive...just pull yourself together, baby...life could be worse don’t you know...


...I mean crikey, you’ve got a phone and an iPad, don’t you know...what on Earth are you moaning about, life has never been so good or free of anxieties....etc, etc...
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...actually it isn’t just about funding though, that's just a particularly frustrating bit of ‘progression’...sadly there can still be a degree of stigma associated with mental health issues..so maybe a reluctance for some who are struggling...to express openly how they’re feeling with feelings of hopelessness..?...
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